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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (176240)	11/29/2005 8:15:36 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Korea was a Soviet mistake in that they walked out and therefore couldn't veto the Korea resolution. Hello??!! The Soviets were SUPPORTERS of N. Korea.. Russian pilots were flying MIGs over N. Korea. They had armed and advised the N. Koreans... If anything, Russia was to blame for not taking direct action to prevent, or stop NK from invading the south.. But why should they? After all, they had just been politically defeated in Berlin, had been behind communist insurgencies in various countries throughout the world and were intent on thwarting the spread of democracy, an ideology that the UN espoused by its very charter, although indirectly, in the preamble: >to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and >to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and >to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and >to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, Although not directly called "democracy", what else could it describe? Accountability to the citizenry by sovereign governments.. Respect for human rights and the dignity of the human individual (inalienable rights). But most importantly, to promote social progress and larger freedom... Freedom IS democracy.. Rule by the people, not by an elite few who have the power to mandate the actions of everyone else with no political accountability. The biggest mistake that was made was permitting non-democratically elected governments to hold permanent seats on the UNSC. That should an absolute BARE MINIMUM requirement. Stop being democratic.. lose your seat.. Your comparison is poor since Iraq didn't present a threat to any US interests other than oil. Why? Japan didn't represent a threat to the US, except with regard to shipping and Asian trade. Why did we launch crippling economic sanctions against them that provoked a military response by Tokyo to attack our Pacific Fleet so we would be unable to oppose their invasions of the Philipines, Sumatra, and Burma? I believe FDR essentially warned the Japanese that there would be "serious consequences" as a response to such an action. I found this interesting link.. It wasn't what I was specifically searching for (FDR warnings to Japan), but it's worth placing here.. Some interesting stuff I would also like to confirm, especially the cited memos from early in 1941 about mechanisms for provoking the Japanese into attacking us).. How do you think such "secret memos" would have played in the media circus we have today? Here are some EXCELLENT links I just came across.. Well worth listening to a few in order to understand how we came to be involved in WWII: authentichistory.com authentichistory.com authentichistory.com authentichistory.com authentichistory.com I won't comment on your perfidious attack on the majority of Americans vis á vis "...preserving freedom in Europe...." Which majority? There was a MAJOR isolationist movement in the US prior to Pearl Harbor, despite the clear agression being carried out overseas in Europe and Asia. So some could say the Isolationists were the majority THEN. But just imagine how CNN would have reported the thousands of casualties the US suffered on D-Day, or Iwo Jima.. Or how the British and US Air Force, in a carpet bombing raid on Caen, wound up missing the German forces almost completely, but killed an estimated 5,000 French civilians... valourandhorror.com On July 7th, General Montgomery opted for the bluntest strategy available: organize an air-raid of 450 heavy bombers, drop 6,000 tons of explosives on the city, and drive ground forces through from the North. More than 5,000 French civilians died as a result. Yeah.. that would have gone over REAL WELL.. "Hey.. I thought we were supposed to be liberating the French, not killing them enmasse?.. This war (WWII) is an abomination... We shouldn't be involved.. " Yeah.. I can see that now... Hawk