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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (176290)	11/29/2005 2:21:42 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I have never heard Americans say Iran should be wiped off the map. Well, let me be the first to suggest it. Tit for tat and all that. They want to destroy the USA. Why not the USA destroy them first? I believe that following tit for tat, we could issue a statement saying Death to Iran. Nukes vs. a statement does not seem to follow that model, unless one has extreme space-time curvature or something.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (176290)	11/29/2005 2:59:16 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

While you're worried about Iran, think about what the US taxpayer is supporting: Iraq. You do realize, right, that Iraq's new government is very supportive of Iran and its position on: Israel who? Therefore, the US is actively propping up a government in Iraq that says: Israel who? In addition to this, we're now asking the Iranian government for help in stabilizing Iraq. We're also asking the insurgents the same. This is the greatest superpower the world has ever seen resorting to diplomacy with its 'enemies' in the face of utter incompetence in Iraq. On top of everything, we're actively supporting the creation of a fundamentalist Islamic theocracy in Iraq. PEACHY. news.bbc.co.uk "...The Americans are expected to ask Iran to help strengthen border security....The US is also seeking to open negotiations with some of the insurgent groups involved in the violence that has plagued Iraq since the invasion in 2003, Mr Khalilzad says...."

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (176290)	11/29/2005 8:51:54 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I consider a blockade to be a direct attack, I'm sure the Israelis will be happy to see that you believe a blockade is an act of war. After all, it was the blockade of the Straits of Tirat by Egypt that provoked Israel to launch their 1967 war against Nasser aimed at capturing Sharm Al Shayhk and breaking the blockade. But I don't believe the US was engaging in a blockade against Japan. We WERE engaged in economic sanctions, and had halted oil and scrap iron shipments.. But did the US actually put a ring of ships around the Japanese homeland? That's a pretty far-fetched claim.. What is hilarious is that I have tried explaining to people that it is absurd to think that Iran wants nuclear power stations for energy when they are spending $billions on a pipeline to India. Hey.. wasn't it Goebbels who said that if you tell a lie enough times, people will eventually come to believe it?? ;0) Iran says, officially, "Death to America", "Death to Jews and Israel". Well, that sounds like a declaration of war to me. I would consider that sufficient to obliterate Iran or conquer it and make it more civilized, like Japan or Germany. It certainly sounds like a declaration of war against Israel. Can you imagine if Bush came out and said that the US was pledged to wipe Iran off the face of the map? That would definitely sound like a declaration of war. But we just sit back and idly tell ourselves "oh, they're just being rhetorical and don't really mean it".. Until one day, as we discovered with Bin Ladin's declarations of war, HE DID MEAN IT. Hawk