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To: Wayners who wrote (715738)	11/30/2005 4:43:08 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769667

Re: "Pretty hard to claim victory, go home," Nah, not really.... We won the war against Saddam, set up a Democracy, and gave Iraq a fair opportunity to decide it's own future. What more can anyone want? It's not our job to FORCE a political outcome on Iraq (that's the essence of freedom and political self-determination). Like Ben Franklin said about the new United States after the Constitution was signed: "You have a Democracy, if you can keep it." Re: "...and then have a coup establishing a hardline Islamacist State and still be able to claim victory." Exactly what brand of 'hardline Islamicist state'???????? A SHIITE Islamicist state? Or a SUNNI Islamicist state? The two do not mix. (In fact, the two would fight each other and tilt the politics in favor of pluralistic Western values, handing a strategic victory to us.) Seems like the various Iraqi factions settling their own affairs (through a politically decisive civil war, or through other means, such as negotiations, etc.) is more likely to occur --- and be accepted by the locals --- WITHOUT the presence of 'foreign occupiers'. I believe that the possibility of an 'Islamicist' outcome is more likely the longer we stay enmeshed in Iraqi affairs, providing a target and a rallying cry to all sorts of Islamicists from all over the Islamic world, and less likely the sooner we remove ourselves.