To: rrufff who wrote (5138 ) 11/30/2005 12:30:55 PM From: Man on the moon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5425 rufff, I was close enough to Elgindy’s family at the time to make my own solid conclusion about point # 2. Obviously this is my own conclusion, but I stand by it. Furthermore, the whole 9/11 inference was a "gooser" that Breen strategically and unethically threw out on the table to get the ball rolling. Breen used inference to a closed investigation about a tip they got from the stockbroker who didn't even execute the sells until the markets re-opened several days after 9/11 (ouch) For point # 1, I am speculating that maybe a group of 5 to 10 people ininiated some puts and or sells with enough conviction/funds that it might have self perpetuated into a daily downward pressure as these 5 or 10 people fail to keep it truly secret or add to their positions. The professionals at the broker houses probably saw these trades come through and who knows how things can spiral from there. Again this is my speculation but I think most truly professional market folks would either agree or classify it as a "thing to make you go hmmm". Anybody who says there is no way this could happen, is wrong. As far as money on the bed, this is all rumor and chat that the speculators made up. No I didn't see the bed but there was never any documentation to this effect. I challenge anybody to find such a document. It will never appear because there was none. It's in the same class as the "moving truck" rumor. Caca. For the $1,000,000 I am assuming what I wrote. I doubt I am wrong. I hope I have answered your questions, and I really don’t want to get into a debate with certain people here (not counting you) as I have historically debated them and despite me winning, they can’t get over it and will probably try to re-engage. Most likley I will ignore them.