To: russwinter who wrote (46338 ) 11/30/2005 3:42:13 PM From: Ramsey Su Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 110194 Russ, you know we were discussing this credit event at least a week before WSJ caught on to the story. <ggggg> Seriously, I don't know if the street is reacting to today's data points or just deciding to take a rest. Do you appreciate the message today:This year, 6.23% of the loans are delinquent, on average, in their first nine months, a rate not surpassed until the 20th month for 2004 mortgages. By September 2004, that year's mortgages had a delinquency rate of only 3.72%. 9 months ago, these loans were probably refinances for 2-28s originated back in 2003. If the first group is already defaulting, this is a confirmation of the start of the default wave, but that is just a ripple. The tsunami is still out at sea. As these borrowers default and property value has not risen in the last few months, there will be no remedy. An anslyst that I had a chat with a couple of weeks ago figured that 3-5% appreciation is needed to facilitate a refi for the subprimers. That is going to be harder and harder to come by. The MICA data took us to the next level, to the borrowers who at least qualified for MI in the first place. Now this group is cracking and the underlying collateral is not enough to make the MI companies whole. A rather obscure piece of data is due for release tomorrow.biz.yahoo.com I doubted if anyone really pays attention to the loan production of IMH, not one of the big subprime players. If their loan production volume is low, that could point to the possibility that churning their existing borrower is coming to an end. Then we can refer back to my credit event posts and watch the sky fall.