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Politics : Rat's Nest - Chronicles of Collapse -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (3266)	11/30/2005 9:58:23 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24213

Ted Trainer interview: what is our biggest problem? (transcript) Robyn Williams, Ockham's Razor, ABC radio Summary: Ted Trainer from the School of Social Work at the University of New South wales tells us that the fundamental cause of the big global problems facing us is over-consumption. ... Trainer: If the question is how can we run a sustainable and just consumer-capitalist society, the point is that there isn’t any answer. We cannot achieve a sustainable and just society unless we face up to huge and radical transition to what some identify as The Simpler Way, that is to a society based on non-affluent but adequate living standards, high levels of self-sufficiency, in small scale localised economies with little trade and no growth... ...The most disturbing problem of all is our failure, our refusal to even recognise that the pursuit of affluence and growth is a terrible mistake. Despite our vast educational systems, information technologies and media networks, despite having hordes of academics and experts, there is almost no official or public recognition that the quest for affluence and growth is the basic cause of our alarming global predicament. ... We are dealing here with a fascinating and powerful ideological phenomenon, a failure, indeed a refusal, to even think about the possibility that we are sitting on the railway tracks and there is a train fast approaching. It would be difficult to imagine a more profound case of denial and delusion. ... I believe we are now entering a time of rapidly intensifying problems which will impact heavily on the complacency within the rich countries. The coming peak of petroleum supply might concentrate minds wonderfully, but I think the probability of us achieving the transition is very low. Your chances in the next few decades will depend very much on whether your region manages to build local economies, and whether the people living there are willing to shift to frugal, co-operative and self-sufficient ways. abc.net.au

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (3266)	12/27/2005 1:54:47 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 24213

The economy that more efficiently uses oil and thus produces more GDP per barrel of oil may not be more resistant to a disappearance of oil than a less efficient economy, but it may be more able to resist a rise in prices, and even if "peak oil" is a relatively near term thing, the problem will show itself as a rise in price, not an overnight disappearance of oil. The less efficient economy does have more room to adjust by increasing efficiency but that adjustment is difficult and expensive. We are more efficient now because we have already been through part of that adjustment. In fact to the extent that the greater GDP per barrel of oil consumed results from a larger reliance on sources other then oil, we would be more resistant to actual disruptions of supply rather than just price increases. But then "more resistant" doesn't have to mean very resistant. We can be less vulnerable than in 1973 but still be very vulnerable. Tim