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To: tsigprofit who wrote (20398)	12/1/2005 3:30:59 AM
From: Coz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

y'know, it's all so screwed up, that there is no functional plan that can be formulated. The Iraqis expect us to abandon them. We might as well do it now before we kill any more of them and kill any more of our soldiers. We will all need to accept the fact that the neoNazis running Washington have made of islam an enemy that will never go away. We will pay for this war with our blood and the blood of generations to come. That's just the way it's going to be. The right wingers never cared about Iraq or it's people. They just wanted to wave the flag, kick some butt and prove we can do whatever the hell we want in the world. The politicians and business people just wanted to steal our tax money out of the treasury. They not only don't care about the Iraqis, they don't care about Americans either. They just want to take our money so they can live like royalty. Well, they've done it, and it will be all of us that suffer the consequences. And the right-wing constituency that are going to take this reaming too will never be able to admit that they were conned and they sent their children to die for the enrichment of the robber barons because to admit that is just to emotionally horrifying. After all, they were all waving their little flags and chanting the slogans. They had to be right... Right? So the beat goes on.... --Coz P.S. nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven nine-eleven

To: tsigprofit who wrote (20398)	12/1/2005 8:36:51 AM
From: xcr600	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

withdraw? please. never was part of the plan. hence the permanent bases being built. afterall, need to guarantee the oil is sold according to us. goal has always been to stick a pro-amerikan gov't of some sort in place. doesn't matter how oppressive it is. (i.e. Egypt, etc) as long as they pump oil according to us. problem is the plan is costing the neocons politically back here so now they need to find a way to reconfigure and spin it and still meet their goals.

To: tsigprofit who wrote (20398)	12/1/2005 2:36:57 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Flight Logs Reveal Hundreds of CIA Flights to Europe: Report More than 300 CIA flights have landed at European airports, a British newspaper said, adding a new element to claims that Washington has been transporting terrorist suspects to secret prisons in Europe. The Guardian daily said it had seen flight logs documenting the flights by 26 planes operated by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The Guardian said the flight logs revealed that the CIA visited Germany 96 times and Britain 80 times, though when charter flights were added this figure rose to more than 200. The information showed an "unprecedented" amount of travel by the agency but did not reveal which planes took part in alleged prison transfers, it said. The CIA has been accused in reports of using European countries for the transport, illegal detention and torture of suspected Islamist terrorists in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. Outrage over the reports mounted in Europe this week as EU Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini threatened sanctions on Monday for any member nation hosting CIA prison camps on their soil. The Council of Europe's parliamentary assembly has announced a probe into reports of the clandestine prisons, including one that may be in Romania. The Guardian said the flight logs revealed that the CIA visited Germany 96 times and Britain 80 times, though when charter flights were added this figure rose to more than 200. France was only visited twice and Austria not at all, the newspaper said. The logs also showed regular trips to eastern Europe, including 15 stops in Prague. "Only one visit is recorded to the Szymany airbase in northeast Poland, which has been identified as the alleged site of a secret CIA jail," The Guardian reported. Poland and Romania have denied hosting CIA prisons, it added. The Guardian said the flight logs were obtained from Federal Aviation Administration data and sources in the aviation industry. The United States has promised a timely and forthright reply to a EU letter demanding answers following the reports. The issue threatens to dominate a five-day swing through the continent next week by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, after European Union chiefs warned member states involved in the alleged scheme could face sanctions. Rice received the two paragraph letter from British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters. "We will ... endeavor to respond to this letter to the best of our ability, in a timely and forthright manner," he said, but declined to say if a reply would go out before Rice leaves for Europe on Monday. McCormack declined to release the letter, but said it asked for information from the United States over press reports about alleged detention or transporting of suspects through EU member states. "The letter does talk about the fact that these press reports have attracted considerable attention among European publics as well as parliaments," he said. Citing intelligence concerns, McCormack declined to say whether the flights or the alleged prisons existed, and could not say either whether such information could be included in the reply to the EU. Straw, acting in Britain's current capacity as rotating EU president, meanwhile told reporters he was awaiting a reply from Rice, with whom he has worked closely over issues like Iraq and Iran's nuclear program. "Of course when I get the reply I will circulate it to all my foreign minister colleagues," Straw told reporters in London. Rice discussed the issue with visiting German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Tuesday, and the controversy looks set to surface during her trip through Germany, Romania, Ukraine and Brussels next week. Germany and nearly a dozen other European countries have launched their own investigations into alleged CIA flights transporting detainees via their territories. The United States has defended the use of methods outside normal legal procedures for terror suspects by arguing it is fighting a "different kind of war" against terrorism which renders traditional methods obsolete. But it contends that it has not broken international law, or infringed its own constitution. McCormack played down the notion that publics in European countries, which polls show are often highly sceptical of the Bush administration, would be further angered by the latest controversy. "I think the very fact that the people of Europe themselves have experienced terrorism, they have suffered losses in this war against terrorism -- whether that is on the battlefields of Afghanistan or Iraq or in the capitals of Madrid or London -- I think they understand very clearly what kind of war it is that we're fighting." "This is an enemy that is determined to strike at them when they are engaged in their daily activities: riding a bus, getting on a train, flying on an airplane." Copyright © 2005AFP

To: tsigprofit who wrote (20398)	12/1/2005 9:40:48 PM
From: Ron	Respond to of 20773

I still think there's another reason, a crass treasonous reason Bush won't act to close out the Iraq conflict. He is making money on this, and has from the first bombing run over Baghdad. His Daddy is a major partner in the Carlyle Group, a huge privately held defense contractor. Billions upon billions in taxpayer's money flows from the US Government to Carlyle and its subsidiaries every week this conflict continues. And as for Halliburton... need we say more? All Bush needs now is to wipe out the inheritance tax permanently and he and his family will be set to inherit a huge fortune down the road. Most all of it funded by the taxpayers. Will they return any of this to the public treasury? They'll do their damndest to avoid it if they can.