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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9359)	12/2/2005 3:35:01 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: And I have an even further gripe -- that all religions are, in fact, thieves in that each one claims to be the exclusive representative of God or the Almighty when, in actual fact, God, or what people believe is God, is within every one of us and accessible in everyone's imagination. If people want to believe in a "Higher Being" a "Creator", call it what you will, that "Being" is present universally and it is not necessary for anyone to have to accept all the religious baggage and clap-trap in order to find or to worship "Him". True as far as monotheisms are concerned. As I once put it, monotheism is to religion what totalitarianism is to politics --a nefarious, intolerant frame of reference. Polytheism is a much wiser approach to deal with religious matters: Message 21452280 As far as I'm concerned, polytheism should not be dismissed as a fanciful, bygone construct, an intellectual plaything to skirt monotheism's tenets.... Polytheism best describes our current state of affairs: several gods --(the Christian) God, Allah, Yaweh,...--- are vying against each other for dominion over mankind, pitting their respective flocks against each other.... Re: BTW, those seem like excellent books which you recommended -- the kind of stuff we talk about all the time. Indeed. Both are on my shopping list.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9359)	1/11/2006 4:31:18 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: Gus > And the irony here will be that the most frustrated Americans looking for scapegoats will very likely be... the Evangelicals! That is, the very people who used to be so fanatically "fond" of God's Chosen People will turn against their object of praise. That's the irony and the expression is well established, even in English -- "when thieves fall out" -- and that's what will happen when the Evangelists fall out with the Zionists. Jan. 11, 2006 2:32 \| Updated Jan. 11, 2006 Israel rejects Pat Robertson funding By AVI KRAWITZ Tourism Minister Avraham Hirchson has shunned US evangelical leader Pat Robertson shortly before the two were to sign a major funding deal for the Galilee Christian Heritage Center after Robertson suggested that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was a punishment from God for the Gaza Strip withdrawal, The Jerusalem Post has learned. "The minister has very strong views on this and cannot accept what was said," Tourism Ministry spokesman Ido Hartuv said. "We reconsidered the deal and realized that we cannot sign with Robertson or anyone who supports his views." Hartuv stressed that this was an attack on Robertson and his comments rather than a rejection of the evangelical community as a whole, which has become a target group for Israeli tourism in 2006. Robertson lost favor with the ministry when he said on his popular 700 Club TV show that "God considers the land to be his… For any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away he says, 'No, this is mine.'" The charismatic broadcaster led a group of evangelical Christians who have agreed to raise more than $50 million to build the Heritage Center on a 14-dunam plot of land on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. Hirchson, who has been a close ally of Sharon throughout the disengagement period and was among the first Likud members to defect with him to form Kadima, was scheduled to sign the agreement with Robertson committing the government to provide the land and infrastructure for the project and the evangelicals the funding. While Hirchson pulled the plug on Robertson, the project is going ahead as planned and looking for alternative avenues of finance. "Many people are enthusiastic about the project," said Uri Dagul, who voluntarily heads the steering committee overseeing the project. "We initiated the project before Robertson was on board, and we will continue without him." Dagul did not dismiss the possibility of working with Robertson if the evangelist issued an appropriate apology. A spokesman for Robertson could not be reached in time for this report. A reaction to the outcry following his comments posted on his Web site Thursday fell short of issuing an apology, attempting to further explain his stance. The government presented its plans for the heritage center and biblical garden in May saying it expected the center to bring an additional 750,000 visitors to the country annually. Dagul said that the allocation of land was expected to be complete within the next six weeks, after which a nonprofit organization needed to be registered before it got the go ahead. Dagul predicted that construction would start in 2007 and that it would take three to four years to complete. jpost.com