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To: John Vosilla who wrote (45337)12/5/2005 4:01:20 PM
From: shadesRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849
 
This was true of the immigrants I talked to in WPB as well just a few months ago - I think you and I discussed this before - coming here and getting everything in just a matter of months. New house, new truck, all the gizmos and gadgets and such. It must be great coming from a third world existence to first world in just a few months. What bothered me was the cuban people I talked too really seemed to hate the other groups that were coming in - can't we all just get along?

My poor farmer grandpa said you are too damned spoiled shades - you think a hard days work is clicking some buttons and watching barnaby jones at the end of the day (grandpa liked barnaby jones) - that was almost 20 years ago.

I have a friend that came from mexico - studied here in the states for a time - then went to australia to study nanotech - he couldn't find work after graduating so is back in small town south ga working as a manager of a small electronics business - great guy but this was his best chance at a nice life I suppose.

lasvegassun.com

Today: December 05, 2005 at 9:2:43 PST

Crossing the line?
Concerns arise as anti-immigration groups become more prevalent in valley
By Timothy Pratt <timothy@lasvegassun.com>
Las Vegas Sun

Hundreds of local residents sit in cushioned chairs at monthly meetings at convention centers, downtown casinos and Elks' lodges, listening to guest speakers recite scary statistics about millions of people, mostly Mexicans, crossing the border.

At some of the meetings, people in the audience cry out for a civil war if nothing is done to stop illegal immigration soon.

The same theme inspired a downtown Las Vegas billboard that was the subject of controversy earlier this year. With arrows pointing from Mexico to the United States, it drew dozens to protest in the street below and even anonymous arson threats leveled at a business located below the sign....

....Dean Ishman, president of the NAACP's Las Vegas chapter, said he does not trust most anti-immigration groups, even though he may agree with part of their message. He does not support illegal immigration, for example, and thinks the immigration system should be reformed.

Uh! Can't we all just get along?

miami.com

Last year, Samuel Huntington, a world-renowned Harvard University political scientist, made headlines with a book called Who We Are, in which he warned with alarm that America's territorial integrity is being threatened by the country's growing Hispanic population.

HISPANIC INFLUX

Huntington's book argued that, unlike previous immigrants, Hispanics come from a poverty-ridden neighboring country, are entering the United States massively, concentrate in a few U.S. states, and are maintaining their native language.

Worst, he says, they come from a country that is still sore at having lost half its territory to the United States, and they ''could assert a historical claim to U.S. territory.'' (If you wonder why I think all of this is Hispanic-phobic rubbish, I invite you to read my Feb. 26, 2004, column posted on Herald.com; click on Today's Extras).

Now, a soon-to-be-published book by Juan Enriquez, a former Harvard professor turned genomics entrepreneur, makes a far more insightful case for the likelihood of new states -- or countries -- in the Americas.

A CHANGING WORLD

His book, The Untied States of America , reminds us that, in 1950, the United Nations had 50 member countries. Today, the number has grown to 191.

And the trend seems to be toward more new countries. From 1900 to 1950 the world saw an average of 1.2 new countries a year; from 1950 to 1990 the rate grew to 2.2 new countries a year; and between 1990 and now, to 3.1 new nations a year.

''We have paid little attention to how many countries split and disappear because our own hemisphere has been remarkably stable,'' Enriquez says. ``We have generated no true new borders on the American continent since 1910. But this stability may be coming to an end.''

DIVIDING LINES

Countries, like marriages or corporations, often reach a breaking point, and split up or die. Most often, it is the richest regions -- not the poorest ones -- that seek to ''untie'' first. They feel they are giving more than they are getting from their current partnerships, and they want out, he says.

In the United States, rich states such as New York, New Hampshire, Massachusetts and Minnesota are increasingly angry about giving more in taxes than they are getting back. Noting that most of these are ''blue'' [Democratic] states and are not part of the southern U.S. Bible Belt, he says their residents ``have a lot more in common with Canadians than they do with those living in red [pro-Bush] states.''

Rather than a Mexican takeover of southern U.S. states, we may see Hispanic populations in southern U.S. states and northern Mexico seeking ''in-between states'' a la Puerto Rico, perhaps -- if they feel alienated from their respective central governments, he says. Watch ongoing regional autonomy drives in Britain and Spain, he says.

In Mexico, Enriquez sees a possible breakup in four nations: the north (``NAFTA country''), Central Mexico (Mexico City and its surroundings), indigenous Mexico (Chiapas, Guerrero and Oaxaca) and the new Maya (Yucatán, Campeche and Quintana Roo).

AN UNLIKELY EVENT

My opinion? I doubt we'll see a flurry of new countries in the Americas. (However, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bolivia's wealthy Santa Cruz region following that route in the event that radical Indian candidate Evo Morales takes power through a ''street coup'' in the event of losing next month's presidential elections).

But, as any Old World map reminds us, things change. Most likely, as Enriquez himself admits, barring a significant improvement in good governance, we may see a growing trend toward unhappy regions seeking greater autonomy within an umbrella of free association, or common markets.

The elements are there: unhappy regions, governments that are progressively unable to satisfy their people's expectations and supranational projects.



To: John Vosilla who wrote (45337)12/7/2005 5:23:55 PM
From: shadesRespond to of 306849
 
My old computer buddies used to love to watch andy griffith. Suma is saying the NC or Tenn mountains are still good - is the grass really greener?

sptimes.com

Southern man don't need them around anyhow
By ROBERT FRIEDMAN, Perspective Editor
Published December 4, 2005

I met Aunt Bee, sort of.

I encountered Frances Bavier and her bodyguard/chauffeur about 25 years ago at a community event in Siler City, N.C., where Bavier bought a big house and retired after the Andy Griffith Show ended its run. Bavier had wary eyes. She didn't offer me a slice of pie. Her bodyguard looked like he might offer me a knuckle sandwich if I came any closer.

I had no right to expect Bavier to exude the Southern hospitality of her Mayberry character. According to a lovely story by Chip Womick in the Asheboro, N.C., Courier-Tribune , Bavier was an accessible celebrity during her first years in Siler City. She was active in local charities and patient with all the fans who traveled twisting miles of back roads to seek her out.

But by the time I saw her, Bavier had become more reclusive. People said she wearied of all the continuing attention: the pushy autograph-seekers on tour buses, the drunken fratboys stealing lawn ornaments in the middle of the night as part of some initiation ritual or scavenger hunt. Even in out-of-the-way Siler City, Aunt Bee couldn't escape the changes that were intruding on the Old South.

Twenty-five years ago, Siler City looked a lot like the fictional Mayberry. (Today, about 40 percent of Siler City's 8,000 residents are Hispanic, part of a demographic trend Howard Sprague and Mayberry's other city fathers never anticipated.)

I lived about 40 miles away in Chapel Hill. It, too, was a quiet Southern town in most respects, but the faculty and administration of the University of North Carolina and the nearby Research Triangle Institute had become dominated by Northern transplants by then. And Duke, 7 miles down the road, always had been.

Until I started coming up with good excuses to skip their cocktail parties, my carpetbagger friends would parade me around and introduce me like some mongrel dog who'd been trained to walk on his hind legs and bark the alphabet.

"AWWWwww! Thet's a FESC-inating ECK-scent!" they would say when they heard my drawl, apparently unaware that their own voices sounded like The Nanny's, only more grating.

Then, once they'd had a couple of drinks, they tended to launch into unsolicited disquisitions on the history of race relations in the South, in a tone that might not have been offensive if I'd been a former captain of the Selma, Ala., water cannon brigade. The folks back home wouldn't have thought I was a pointy-headed Communist if they'd seen me goin' all Lynyrd Skynyrd on those Yankee pontificators.

My new buddies didn't seem happy to be living in the backward South, because they came from beacons of intellectual ferment and racial tolerance such as Great Neck, N.Y., and Bloomfield Hills, Mich. But, for some reason, they never moved back. They and millions of their fellow Northern expatriates now overpopulate the white-flight exurbs that ring Atlanta, Raleigh and Birmingham.

To repay those cocktail-party lecturers for the gift of their insights, I still fly up to New Jersey a couple of times a year to crash prep school reunions and expound loudly on the history of waste management in Trenton and Newark. It's important to give back.

Anyway, the South that Aunt Bee once personified has just about vanished now. Only a few isolated pockets remain, sort of like what's left of the Florida panther's habitat. But as the Siler City grave marker of New York City native Frances Bavier says, "To live in the hearts of those left behind is not to die."