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To: Road Walker who wrote (263033)	12/2/2005 8:33:47 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576588

It doesn't matter... Bush has the power. He may be forced to reduce the troops by public opinion and political pressure, but we're still stuck with this destructive policy trough the '08 elections. Then the new Pres, Rep or Dem, will try to "win" the Iraq war. Be a hero, "anti-war" or "anti-anything" candidates don't get elected in this country. It's the American mindset (for better or worse, usually worse). Yes, Bush has the power. Rove tricked everyone into voting for Bush twice! It is, frankly, hopeless. All those kids will die for nothing. At least during Vietnam, millions were taking to the streets, screaming bloody murder. Now, barely a whimper of protest. Clearly the democrats' efforts to portray Iraq as Vietnam has failed! Why should I care if nobody else cares? People care more about their Ipod than their country at war. People care more about their tax break than the great American city of New Orleans. People see 30K people fired at General Motors, and they say they deserved it because their benefits were too good (especially people with much better benefits than the GM workers). People see 4% GDP growth and huge record S&P500 profits while wages are not keeping up with inflation and the number of working poor is increasing every day, and they say the economy is doing great. Unemployment is down because the unemployed are getting jobs. Amazing how that works... For the first time in my life, in this country, people seem satisfied that their kids will not live as prosperous life as they did. And they don't care, they have theirs. Yep, you got yours and to hell with mine huh John? Odd, I have it better than anyone else in my family... I'm beginning to wonder what the hell is wrong with me that I care. I've got mine, screw the rest of you and your kids. I guess I'll be like everyone else, "I don't owe you shit". There is no obligation from generation to generation... American society ethic is grab it and hold it for yourself, screw everybody else. You feel like you owe me and Tenchusatsu? I'm touched...

To: Road Walker who wrote (263033)	12/3/2005 1:19:31 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1576588

re: The good news is that the sane people in this country and even the not so sane are not listening to Bush and his pals. Now the trick is to figure out how to get them out of power before 2008, or at least to keep that power at bay. Taking Congress away from them in 2006 needs to be the first goal. It doesn't matter... Bush has the power. He may be forced to reduce the troops by public opinion and political pressure, but we're still stuck with this destructive policy trough the '08 elections. Then the new Pres, Rep or Dem, will try to "win" the Iraq war. Be a hero, "anti-war" or "anti-anything" candidates don't get elected in this country. It's the American mindset (for better or worse, usually worse). Actually that's nothing new............if you look at the history of this country since WW II, its been one war after another: Korea in the 1950s, Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s, the ME and Nicaragua in the 1980s, Iraq and Bosnia/Kosovo in the 1990s. The US is a partriachal society that believes its predestined by God to lead the world. We kid ourselves into thinking that what we do is good because in the end, we don't occupy the countries in which we fight like the old Soviet Union did. Of course that ignores the fact that when we win, we put in bases and influence the local gov't 24/7. Its not occupation per se but the holier than thou aura we put around it is rather bogus. And in the end, I am not sure what we accomplish. What would have happened had we not interfered in Korea......might the country be whole now like the reunited Germany? Were the S. Vietnamese better off under the dictatorship in place during the Vietnamese war, or under the current communist gov't? Had we not interfered in the war between Iraq and Iran in the 1980s would that have caused the demise of Saddam and prevented his invasion into Kuwait during the Gulf War? We don't know what the outcome would have been because we decided it was in our best interest to interfere. Now we are trying to force democracy on Iraq and Afghanistan........and frankly, I would say both countries are rejecting the application........that both countries are not ready to be democratic. It seems to me we don't do quite as much good as we claim. We think we are so smart but when you look back in hindsight, not only are we not all that smart but we aren't even that clever..........more like a bull in a china closet. It is, frankly, hopeless. All those kids will die for nothing. At least during Vietnam, millions were taking to the streets, screaming bloody murder. Now, barely a whimper of protest. I think the anti war movement has just begun. Having said that, its hard to have an anti war movement in an aggressor nation. I'm beginning to wonder what the hell is wrong with me that I care. I've got mine, screw the rest of you and your kids. I guess I'll be like everyone else, "I don't owe you shit". There is no obligation from generation to generation... American society ethic is grab it and hold it for yourself, screw everybody else. Not the world I grew up in, but I can adapt. That's right. I think your values are more indicative of a Midwestern culture. Its not the Midwest that rules this nation. ted