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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (177300)	12/7/2005 12:27:16 AM
From: Nikole Wollerstein	Respond to of 281500

This is professional post, Hawk

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (177300)	12/7/2005 12:28:04 AM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

"Oh yeah?? So how come we all didn't the surplus back??" You DID get the surplus back you moron! Don't you remember the chimp's 2001 tax cuts and the chimp telling you "It's YOUR money"? Us ordinary peons got $300 checks, while the ultra wealthy got the REAL money. I wish Clinton had gone ahead and paid down the national debt with it. But how was he to know what a fool with a buck the chimp would be?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (177300)	12/7/2005 1:42:56 AM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Your ignorance is amazing. Clinton/Gore improved the budget every single year they were in office. They were monsters at job creation and had a plan NOT TO INVADE IRAQ but to start paying down the debt. You have no facts, no rational analysis, no supportable positions. This is a bad thing. Do some research other than reading rightwing lying claptrap and whining about being called a war profiteer and SEE REALITY. Not only do you blame Clinton/Gore who haven't been in office in half a decade, now you want to go back half a century? OMG. Why are you so upset by the BigDig? It's tailor made for the Bush administration's Excuses-About-Iraq-Crappola. "“You’d be much, much better off saying up front, factually, ’Hey, it’s going to take umpteen years likely and umpteen billions dollars’ rather than sell it as a kind of smoke and mirrors thing about 'Oh, it’s two billion and a couple of years work,”’ Finneran said." msnbc.msn.com And guess what? What creepy company is involved in the BigDig AND in Iraq? counterpunch.org "...Bechtel was quietly pocketing a secret, closed-bid, open-ended Iraq contract that could give them almost $700 million in taxpayer money before the 2004 election --with the alluring prospect of untold billions to follow, Mother Jones reports..." boston.com "...But even though Bechtel's gaffe cost taxpayers $991,000, the company never paid a penny back for its mistake. And no one from the state or federal government ever asked. A yearlong Globe investigation found hundreds of similar errors committed by the Big Dig's management company, which is led by one of the world's largest engineering firms, Bechtel Corp. of San Francisco, and includes another industry titan, Parsons Brinckerhoff of New York. The Globe determined that at least $1.1 billion in construction cost overruns, or two-thirds of the cost growth to date, are tied to Bechtel mistakes. Yet, even as Bechtel's errors helped drive up the Big Dig's cost, the company never paid for any of its mistakes. Instead, it profited. To date, Bechtel has received more than $264 million beyond what its original contracts called for, in part because Bechtel received additional money to fix its errors, records show.... What the Globe did find was that Bechtel had no financial incentive to minimize errors, and that its officials routinely advised the state to pay overruns to smooth over problems that were often of Bechtel's own making...."