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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (71391)	12/8/2005 2:33:18 PM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 81568

Letter From An American Jew From HenryMakow.com Reprinted With Permission 12-7-5 rense.com Dear Henry, I'd like to relate some experiences that may be of interest to you. As an American Jew, the very idea of dealing with the principles of Zionism vs. Judaism has always made me very uncomfortable. I still have very strong connections to my family and Jewish friends. My belief is that their experience is no different than that of virtually every other sector of American life: sheer ignorance. A friend gave me a book tonight that I'd never seen. The title "Basic Judaism" by Steinberg, was written very shortly before Israel achieved statehood from the U.N. She pointed out a passage in the book that (I'm not sure why) took me by surprise. It read (and I'm a paraphrasing because I don't have the book on me) that Jewish tradition is committed to "world peace enforced by a world goverment" and that this 'tradition' regards the sovereign nation-state as an "abomination." The book also appeared to include many passages that would seem to be "supremacist" in nature. I'm not exactly sure what to make of this other than my own reflections of experience from when I was younger. At the time of the experiences that I'm going to write to you about it all seemed to be just a part of what I was doing and not necessarily out of the ordinary. That is, until now. Paranoia? I simply don't know anymore. In 1987 I was working at a Jewish overnight camp in the Midwest. During our orientation, we had many different types of excercises dealing different problems we may encounter with campers. One of the excercises however, was not. We were instructed to sit in a circle and each circle would be given an issue to discuss. I don't know what the other circles 'issues' were but, I very much remember ours. The question was: "How, or what do you consider yourself? A Jewish American or an American Jew?" Considering the nature of the question at the time, I didn't really know what might be the purpose of such a question. A couple of the people leading this discussion were Israelis. (More on that later.) My response, without hesitation, was an American Jew. I don't remember the specifics of my response or any of the other responses other than when they asked me "why?"; I told them it was because America was my home and being Jewish was my religion. I now consider that moment in time quite carefully considering the event that followed later that summer. Each morning, we'd gather at the dining hall for breakfast. All staff and campers would wait outside until either the camp director or assistant camp director led us in the national anthem and pledge of allegiance for both America and Israel. Sadly, virtually NOBODY knew the national anthem of our own country. Yet Zvi (our Israeli Asst. Director), made sure EVERYBODY there knew the Israeli national anthem (in Hebrew, of course). It didn't take long before every morning, we'd all walk up to the deck of the dining hall for breakfast and now, we were singing ONLY the Israeli national anthem and doing ONLY the Israeli pledge. I genuinely stewed over this for several days. I couldn't believe how much it was bothering me but, it was. (Keep in mind, this is long before I 'woke up' as we all say.) Finally one morning, I spoke up. "Why are we doing only the Israeli pledge and anthem and not America's?" Zvi responded by saying to me that "Now was not the time to be asking that." This only enraged me (yeah, I can get a temper). "What do you mean this isn't the time to ask that? Every morning now, we come up here and do the Israeli pledge and anthem and DON'T do it for America." I had a hard time holding back my anger. "This IS NOT Israel! This IS America!" I don't remember anything else I said because it was so long ago. However, I do remember Zvi's reaction. He became enraged too. He and I were very close to a physical altercation right there and then in front of nearly 400 people over pledges and national anthems. I was taken aside and told not to do that again in front of the campers and staff. Zvi and I made our 'peace'. He won the battle but, I won the war on this one. The next day, we were doing the American pledge and singing God Bless America (because nobody could remember the Anthem). Of course, we were still doing the same to Israel. The point is, this seems to have been an excercise in some type of conditioning or mind 'printing'. Despite my ignorance of things at that time; I must have had some type of awareness at some level. Maybe all this was "normal" or "ordinary" at Jewish camps. Somehow, it didn't feel that way to me. Paranoia? I don't know. As you very well know, there can be a heavy price to pay for taking a stand like this. However, I am of the genuine belief that the "average American Jew" is simply ignorant of the beliefs of their hierarchy. I have heard Rabbis in the past mention that there is not a "Coming Messiah" but rather that the anticipated "Messiah" is a future World Peace. As you and I both know, Shimon Peres has repeatedly called for Jerusalem to be the capital for the new world government and asked Kofi Anan to be the "Mayor" of this new world capital. I believe I need to pray for my Jewish friends and family and hope they are not deceived by what's coming in the future. rense.com .

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (71391)	12/10/2005 1:22:26 AM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 81568

The Evacuation Of Auschwitz www.libertyforum.org 12-9-5 The Germans kept meticulous administrative records at the concentration camps. This included the Auschwitz camps where roll-call data was keep right up to the day Auschwitz was evacuated, January 17, 1945. Below we reproduce the roll-call numbers for January 17, 1945. The International Tracing Service of the Red Cross holds the roll-call data. Unfortunately, they do not plan on sharing any of their data with the public. The well-known roll-call data of January 17, 1945 shows just how much detail concerning the concentration camps that the Red Cross has in their possession. It is a shame that it contradicts the Jewish holocaust legend, as this means the public may never get to see it. Or course, if the data supported the holocaust legend, we would have seen it decades ago. Auschwitz I Auschwitz Mens Camp 10,030 Auschwitz Womens Camp 6,196 Total 16,226 Auschwitz II (Birkenau) Babitz 159 Budy 313 Plawy 138 Wirtschaftshof-Birkenau 204 Birkenau Mens Camp 4,473 Birkenau Womens Camp 10,381 Total 15,668 Auschwitz III (IGF Buna, etc,) Male prisoners in Auschwitz III Monowitz (Buna-Werke) 10,223 Golleschau 1,008 Jawischowitz (Jawiszowice) 1,988 Eintrachthutte (Swietochlowice) 1,297 Neu-Dachs (Jaworzno) 3,664 Blechhammer (Blachownia) 3,958 Furstengrube (Wesola) 1,283 Gute Hoffnung (Janinagrube, Libiaz) 853 Guntergrube (Ledziny) 586 Brunn (Brno) 36 Gleiwitz I 1,336 Gleiwitz II 740 Gleiwitz III 609 Gleiwitz IV 444 Laurahutte (Siemianowice) 937 Sosnowitz 863 Bobrek 213 Trzebinia 641 Althammer (Stara Kuznia) 486 Tschechowitz-Dzieditz 561 Charlottengrube (Rydultowy) 833 Hindenburg (Zabrze) 70 Bismarckhutte (Hajduki) 192 Hubertushutte (Lagiewniki) 202 Subtotal 33,023 Female prisoners in Auschwitz III Subtotal 2,095 Total 35,118 Overall Total 67,012 The above data is from Danuta Czech's "Auschwitz Kalendarium." One has to add to the 67,012 those in the camp hospital, but as a lower bound let us suppose that 67,000 prisoners remained at Auschwitz on January 17, 1945. Of course, most of the hundreds of thousands of prisoners had been evacuated many months before this. There are records of transfers from September, 1944 onwards. Now two questions come to mind. 1) Why did the Germans let the 67,000 prisoners remaining at Auschwitz live? Remember, the holocaust legend has it that the Germans were even willing to lose the war, just to kill Jews. In fact, some 60,000 prisoners were walked from Auschwitz to other concentration camps and some 7,650 prisoners were left at Auschwitz to be liberated by the Soviets. 2) Why did the Germans not make the entire concentration camp system "just disappear"? Do not tell me they did not have time. The timing was of their own choosing. If they really had anything to hide, they could have totally obliterated the camps many months before the Soviets arrived. And besides, it is known that the Germans began evacuating the Auschwitz camps around September, 1944 and that the January 17, 1945 evacuation was only the last of many. Now even with only the 60,000 slave laborers who remained at Auschwitz in January, 1945, it would have only taken a day or two to obliterate Auschwitz (even without trucks). We know that the Germans walked these 60,000 to other camps. Clearly, if the Germans had wished to cover-up, they would have marched the 60,000 to the next camp to be totally obliterated, then the next camp to be totally obliterated, etc, until nothing at all remained of the concentration camp system. In fact, if the Germans had committed genocide, then they would have totally obliterated the camps (using the prisoner labor), then they would have killed every last prisoner so as not to leave a single witness who might incriminate them. With no victims, no crime scene, very few witnesses, and tens of millions already missing or killed due to the fighting, those killed in the camps would have been lost in the fog of war. It would have been difficult to establish those killed were not killed elsewhere, or just displaced, let alone that they had been killed in an act of genocide. rense.com

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (71391)	12/10/2005 1:26:44 AM
From: Richnorth	Respond to of 81568

1948 - Allies Found That No Camp Inmates Were Gassed rense.com Circular Letter No. 31/48 Vienna, 1 Oct. 1948 10th dispatch 12-9-5 1. The Allied Commissions of Inquiry have so far established that no people were killed by poison gas in the following concentration camps: Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Flossenbürg, Gross-Rosen, Mauthausen and its satellite camps, Natzweiler, Neuengamme, Niederhagen (Wewelsburg), Ravensbrück, Sachsenhausen, Stutthof, Theresienstadt. In those cases, it has been possible to prove that confessions had been extracted by tortures and that testimonies were false. This must be taken into account when conducting investigations and interrogations with respect to war crimes. The result of this investigation should be brought to the cognizance of former concentration camp inmates who at the time of the hearings testified on the murder of people, especially Jews, with poison gas in those concentration camps. Should they insist on their statements, charges are to be brought against them for making false statements. 2. In the C.L. (Circular Letter) 15/48, item 1 is to be deleted. The Head of the MPS Müller, Major" Certified true copy: Lachout, Second Lieutenant Lachout testified (in a Canadian court case) that he had drafted this letter for Major Müller's signature and had watched him sign it. He had then had copies made in the office which he certified, signed and stamped. The letter was translated into three languages and confirmed by the controlling officer. Only then was it allowed to be issued. The letter was circulated to every military Kommando in the Russian zone to keep personnel aware of the state of investigations. No one was ever charged with making false statements because they withdrew their statements as soon as they heard about the letter. ihr.org rense.com