To: sciAticA errAticA who wrote (42421 ) 12/8/2005 9:41:03 PM From: shades Respond to of 116555 mossberg.com That is a fine weapon - I like it a lot and have a few similar ones over in the rack - just for fun you know. In my great grandpas time you could ride into a town Clint Eastwood Pale Rider style and take over with just one or 2 of those. Pop a cap in the general and a few others and the whole town happily gave you their GOLD or virgins or what have you. I have been watching about many people in history of the old west that did just that!fas.org Here are a few good ones too with a little further range.p098.ezboard.com But now here is what JUBA uses - a Tabuk I believe - and he is even very good from what these gun affaciandos say. However I wonder how many suttrees with mossbergs and Jubas with Tubaks and General Chens with shiny coins are going to stop this:nellis.af.mil And this:lynx.uio.no And this:images.encarta.msn.com Ceaser, Tutankhamen, Napolean, King George etc etc - none of these rulers in history could press a button and instantly obliterate all their invading enemies in a nanosecond - I think this MEME may be lost on you and the General - it is a different world - Nuclear warfare really does make it "different this time" Convential warfare just doesn't mean what it used too. Bush craps his pants over N Korea having NUKULAR - not shiny GOLD - because that gives you a chip at the poker table of world power. Be a good citizen, pay your taxes, keep your nose out of trouble, and you will get lots of friends TV series, and lots of hot dogs and hamburgers and football games - and you won't have to dig your hole of gold or water or MRE's to make the man with the planes, tanks, and NUKULAR power upset. Juba is one of the best assassins in the modern theater of war from what I have read - never hear about him on western news - but he cannot stop the bombs and tanks and NUKULAR if it comes to that. I really try to understand people like the General - I think he was the type back in history probably - he had his 3 minute rifle with black powder packets and as his friends got mowed down by the newly invented repeating rifle and he just didn't get it. The british of history had to lose a lot of troops to guerilla warfare and new technology before they let that MEME of colonial empire go - but that was before the NUKULAR age - hehe. Now I read about what people kill for in the USA - they kill for drugs most of all from what I see, if they are young sometimes they kill over a woman, not gold, or even money, but drugs - so I guess over in trinidad tobago it is very different and people only kill for and value shiny metal. I dont get it. Most of my geek computer friends don't get it either - even most of the rednecks I know also don't get it. I cant eat gold, I cant shoot it like my shotguns, I cant wear it or smoke it. There are better things to allocate capital too than shiny metal for the reasons the general is doing so.