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To: Dale Baker who wrote (6889)12/15/2005 1:54:36 AM
From: Dale Baker  Respond to of 541753
 
House backs anti-torture amendment

By Vicki Allen Wed Dec 14, 8:39 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives on Wednesday gave overwhelming support to a measure requiring the humane treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody, piling pressure on
President George W. Bush to agree to put into law a ban on the torture of detainees.

The House voted 308-122 to instruct negotiators working on a final version of a defense spending bill to accept an amendment pushed by Arizona Republican Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) that would bar the cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment of military prisoners.

Although the House motion was not binding, it should boost the clout of McCain, who was locked in talks with the White House on a final version of his amendment.

"Torture scars not only its subject, it scars those who perpetrate it and those who are witnesses to it," said Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), a Pennsylvania Democrat, who pushed for the House vote.

Two hundred Democrats and 107 Republicans voted for Murtha's motion.

In a brief debate on the measure, Republican Rep. Bill Young of Florida, who is guiding the defense spending bill, said it was "important that we make it very clear that we are opposed to the use of torture, period."

But Young said he was "offended" by provisions in the amendment that he said would give terrorists constitutional protections enjoyed by U.S. citizens.

The administration has been hammered by scandal over the sexual and physical abuse of detainees by U.S. soldiers at
Abu Ghraib prison in
Iraq, harsh interrogations at U.S. facilities at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and in
Afghanistan, and reports that the
CIA has run secret prisons abroad to hold terrorism suspects.

While saying the United States does not engage in torture, the White House opposed McCain's amendment, contending that putting anti-torture rules into law would hamper interrogators' ability to obtain information from prisoners by making them less fearful.

The administration has backed off trying to kill the amendment or getting a broad exemption for the CIA, but it is seeking some protections from prosecution for interrogators accused of violating it.

McCain contends that would undermine his amendment. "We will not grant immunity. There will be no immunity for anyone," he said. His amendment swept the Senate 90-9.

The standoff with the White House over the McCain amendment has stalled both the bill that funds the
Pentagon and another that authorizes defense policies and programs.

With Congress hoping to complete its business in a few days to adjourn for the year, McCain said he hoped to reach an agreement with the White House in the next day or two.

"I can't tell you that we'll reach an agreement or not here, but the pace of discussions is very intense," he said.



To: Dale Baker who wrote (6889)12/15/2005 9:55:46 AM
From: TigerPaw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541753
 
Some are more entertaining than others ...

The next governor I am voting for at least knows that entertainment is part of the job.

kinkyfriedman.com



To: Dale Baker who wrote (6889)12/15/2005 10:21:11 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541753
 
Dale, since you live in Austin, you might find this group interesting. I've got a relative who is very active.

tfn.org