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To: shades who wrote (42847)	12/15/2005 1:16:38 PM
From: 8bits	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

My goal is not to live outside the system. My goal is to be prepared if the US currency system collapses. Hence my reference to gold as form of insurance or preservation of value. I am legally employed, I have a credit score of 789. I pay my bills on time and pay taxes. I used my credit card 1 hour ago. I purchased, easily traceable, via a brokerage account stock in an oil firm 3 days ago. I consider my gold a protection against slow or rapid devaluation of US currency not as a means to live outside the system. In an extreme event such as what happened in Russia after the Bolsheviks took power or when South Vietnam fell in 1975, one is more likely to be able to depart the US if you had hidden (Gold for example) assets as opposed a debit/visa card, property, etc. Would it guarantee one could leave..? No of course not.

To: shades who wrote (42847)	12/15/2005 1:19:29 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

shades I believe your post is accurate. I've seen the same basic trends in Hawaii. Watched a few bug friends try to extricate from the system. One just got 8 years on trumped up fed charges. Why? Why does a law abiding citizen get more time than a murderer? Cause he basically lived as your friend in the van but made the mistake of vocally advocating such behavior. He went through 3 trials over the last 20 years then lost on the 3rd attempt by the feds to corral him. The fed has unlimited funds/manpower. They will keep going till you run out of attorney money or they finally get in front of a judge that wants to enforce the nazi vision no matter what. There are more and more judges like that all the time. The feds don't care if we shoot each other up. Just don't take verbal aim at the fed. The full weight of the legal system will bankrupt just about anyone. Once the digi-money/chip is in full force, gold will be a store of value but cease any monetary value. Anyone carrying over 10k cash is subject to detention, pending explanation. Anyone really think drug trade is the reason...or is it the excuse? Now the viper squads are moving into bus stations, trains, subways, etc. To protect us from what? Personally, I don't worry about terrorism. I do get nervous when I see black shirted freaks on steroids armed to the teeth walking around public areas for no good reason other than to intimidate people. Recently we had one of Hawaii's finest run down a 64 yr. old Japanese lady in a crosswalk in the middle of the day in front of a church. He wasn't even cited. The irony? The officer in question is our Traffic Enforcement Cop for this district! As they say, "Don't try this at home kids!" I don't think J6P gets the same break, do you? The parallels between this book and the USA today are too numerous to note. amazon.com

To: shades who wrote (42847)	12/15/2005 3:51:22 PM
From: John Vosilla	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 116555

Ousted renters face crisis as hurricane hastens switch to condos By Jamie Malernee Staff Writer Posted December 15 2005 OAKLAND PARK -- Hurricane Wilma started the job. Now South Florida's pricey real estate market could finish it. Residents of a run-down apartment complex trashed by Wilma say they could be rendered homeless by plans to repair and spruce up the units to turn them into condos. George Torres, 53, a Sunshine Dixie Apartments resident, said he heard the units could go for $200,000 -- far more than he could afford on his disability checks. "I guess they want to get rid of the poor," he said. sun-sentinel.com