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To: Dale Baker who wrote (7192)	12/17/2005 12:57:54 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 541789

Tell me, why don't you post with your full name, address and phone number on SI? Anyone who has been reading me for a while could find my address and phone number in a matter of minutes. I use my real name and I've amply described where I live. Is it because you want the freedom to express yourself without fear of retribution by other members or authorities somewhere? I protect myself by always being civil, by doing so hopefully not triggering a reaction that would threaten me. Not that I wouldn't be civil anyway. Perhaps you define freedom only as a restraint on action. E posted the definition. I did not take exception to it. Absence of restraint was the essence of it, seems to me.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (7192)	12/17/2005 1:01:32 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541789

I think separating a couple of points might be useful. Karen was saying that privacy and liberty are two different things. She also said that she doesn't care very much about privacy. You can care a lot about privacy (even more than liberty) without privacy becoming liberty. I also am concerned about privacy in and of itself (not as concerned as I am about liberty, but apparently more concerned than Karen is about privacy). There are certainly connections between privacy and liberty. A reduced amount of privacy enables a reduction in liberty. In fact in some situations privacy may be required in order to retain liberty. Also the type of government that cares nothing about liberty also cares nothing about your privacy from government snooping. In fact to thoroughly control you that type of government would have to make sure you don't have a great degree of privacy. So they are strongly connected, but they aren't exactly the same thing. Tim