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To: JohnM who wrote (7289)	12/18/2005 10:22:54 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541851

if you wish to have a thread consisting of only folk with "centrist" political convictions At the risk of being "semantic," I submit that there is a difference between being partisan and having left or right political convictions. The former is about party wins and losses and the latter is about ideas. The former is about whether the Republicans or the Democrats are scum. The latter is about whether Social Security should be changed. I have not observed you to be particularly partisan although I am aware of your party preference.

To: JohnM who wrote (7289)	12/18/2005 10:25:41 AM
From: Suma	Respond to of 541851

Very moving post JohnM and you state my view to a T. Only you say it better.(:) Thank heavens this isn't the PFP thread. If some of what was posted on this thread was posted there... BANNED. Anyway, here is what you said that is salient for me: I'm convinced foreign policy should be multilateral, that the "war on terror" is far more an ideological struggle than a military one, that abortion issues are about women's rights, that opposition to gay marriage is the most recent incarnation of bigotry, that our cities require great gobs of money infusions to correct infrastructure losses including education, that global warming is one of those unaddressed issues we will all regret not addressing ten years down the road, that we have to find ways to correct the rapidly growing gap between the rich and the poor, and so on. Kudos...

To: JohnM who wrote (7289)	12/18/2005 10:28:09 AM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 541851

Everyone who leans right thinks it's too far left, and now those openly left think we are too far right. Everyone is welcome within limits, starting with good behavior and extending to a good-faith effort not to post overly partisan stuff just for the sake of being provocative. As for your personal position, John, the merits of the issues are fine. It's only when we demonize other parties and ideologies, or turn issue differences into personal attacks, that it goes too far. We will try to find a groove that works for everyone.

To: JohnM who wrote (7289)	12/18/2005 2:51:50 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541851

John, I meant to respond to this earlier. I thought I had, actually, but I must have erased the post by backing out to do something else. Since the inception of this thread I've been enjoying the conversations here, and I am decidedly left of center (I was even more left of center before Bush started moving everyone over in my direction.) Dale has always been very tolerant of all POV's as long as they are expressed without name calling, and without personalizing the argument, and without slamming whole groups of people indiscriminantly. I agree with you 100% on all the political policies you mention, and I have found I can air all those views, and more, without any fear of offending Dale as long as I don't make my views in to a personal attack on someone else.

To: JohnM who wrote (7289)	12/18/2005 3:40:08 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541851

I'm not a centrist, certainly not as it is understood today. It's moved much too far to the right for my political convictions. Please do not leave this thread. If you leave, this thread becomes completely unbalanced. Karen will just run roughshod with her cold hearted, right wing views over the rest of us on this side of the center. (But, I say this with the utmost respect for her verbal skills and reasoning ability. She should have been a lawyer - not that we need more right wing lawyers)GGG. SI is completely unbalanced as it is.