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To: Lane3 who wrote (7299)	12/18/2005 10:37:08 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541375

In general, the Patriot Act did some good things breaking down barriers between agencies and getting more information shared. But it goes too far when it allows or tacitly permits warrantless searches of Americans, their communications, their records, what they read, what they buy, whatever. I can even live with some warrants coming from secret courts. But for me, citizen=warrant or I keep my privacy, thank you. JMHO. These national security letters where the FBI goes fishing with no probable cause are a menace.

To: Lane3 who wrote (7299)	12/18/2005 10:46:52 AM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541375

doesn't mean that some of the tools it (used ?) aren't valid and necessary and shouldn't be part of a constructive rebalancing effort. Well, you and I have come to an agreement! We just got there from different ends, I guess. I would rather have heard the reasons before the action. But the discussion part seems to have gotten lost along the way, if it ever started, for this admin. Dan and I were talking about this balance last night and how people can tolerate different things, and we likened it to Homeowner's Associations. Some people are willing to trade the freedom to paint their house purple to ensure no one else does just that. But some of these neighborhoods are drunk with power. My inlaws have to submit a form if they want to put a flowerpot in their front lawn. Some associations actually measure your grass. But as my mother-in-law says, "The neighborhood looks so nice! None of those gnomes and glass balls!" (Personally I like a gnome here and there.)