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To: Lane3 who wrote (7455)	12/19/2005 10:57:19 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541768

"Nothing is more depressing to me than watching apparent liberals embrace some form of mutant realism that just ignores the human rights implications of American isolationism. " Wanting to work through the UN is not isolationism. It's a common canard that the "liberals" are isolationists when they don't support Bush's adventure in the ME, but most of the liberals I know would simply rather see a more inclusive approach. Actually, we think it's Bush who is the isolationist- since he is the one unable to work with other countries (unless those countries agree to be our poodles)- isolationist in terms of isolating the US from other countries; not isolationist in his desire to interfere everywhere, on his own terms, with not thought for what other countries might think.

To: Lane3 who wrote (7455)	12/19/2005 12:04:12 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 541768

Obviously, it is a lot to expect of a President to both aggressively defend his beliefs, and reach out to his opponents, and deal with serious objections in a serious way. But I expect a lot of our presidents--when it comes to the leader of the free world, I make no nods to mediocrity. There are very few politicians that could pull off the type of speech I believe would be proper given our current situation. President Bush is not one of them. Ultimately, then, this speech is quite good given the constraints of Bush's abilities. However, it also demonstrates why he will never be ranked amongst our nation's great presidents. This speech has been in preparation for at least three weeks. William McGurn is currently the chief speech writer, but former chief Michael Gerson is still at the Whitehouse in another capacity but was likely involved in this speech. This speech has been vetted by the usual suspects including Andrew Card, Karl Rove, Karen Hughes, and Condoleessa Rice among others. What I am driving at is this: Most people on this thread and people in the media who make a living using their intellect do not have a clue wrt people who get gentlemenly Cs in school and who rarely crack a book in their lives and what they are capable of when it comes to creating or writing a speech of this magnitude. I think I can speak for C students who did not get their passing grades with undue diligence (you could call it ud). This is how it might have originated <ggg>: Andy, get me that McGurnie guy in here pronto. Cmon in Mackie and sit down. Find out from Karl what he thinks should go into that speech I'm giving on TEEVee in December after them elections in EYErack. Get in touch with Mikey - he knows what I like to go into my speeches. Make sure Karen gets a copy in plenty of time so she can give me her input. She's traveling so is she can't interface with me face to face. Give Condi a peek before EYE gives the speech on TVee. Andy, make sure you get enough time to let our friends sign off on the speech. I don't want no sonofa&&^^%% to come to me afterwards and give a lot b^%^%&^. You heah. Andy, outta my way - I gotta chop some more o' that fire wood.