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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (10797)	12/19/2005 11:52:24 AM
From: rrufff	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

Don't put words in my mouth. Read my post to you. I'm essentially agreeing that all genocidal tragedies should be memorializes as a way to say "never again." My comment is that you are very petty to make this part of your life's work, that is, to step on memorials for what I believe is the greatest genocidal crime. That's my own opinion but I certainly would not deny others' their grief. I spend a great deal of effort with Armenian friends and their work in remembering the Turkish genocide. Speaking of native Americans, aren't you the one who has some kind of Seattle estate that was taken from the Natives as part of a land grab? Or is that another Len Grasso?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (10797)	12/19/2005 2:33:23 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 32591

Len. I read a fair bit of your stuff and really wonder where you are really coming from. For instance....You say..."Then there is the death and destruction of Native peoples in North and South America. That alone would dwarf the Holocaust numbers. And how about the slave trade, perhaps not a direct genocide but a decimation of a people nonetheless."...... Many times over the past couple of years I have seen you state that the original American indians were robbed of their lands and lives. It would appear that you feel very strongly about all these injustices of the past. Let me ask you something...should explorations of the past that put peoples in new lands and in confrontations with new peoples never have happened....should laws and customs of those ages never have been permitted? IMO laws and customs of past ages seemed like the correct thing to do at that time for those people. By to days standards those laws and customs seem pretty stupid and backwards but from those laws and customs came our evolved and modern laws and customs of to day.... which at times seem to belong in the past. My point is we would not be where we are to day if things had not occurred as they did in the past. They can not be changed no can they be corrected. You seem to be well read so I'm sure you are aware that the state of Israel existed almost precisely where it is to day a couple of thousand years BC and likely 3000 or more years before islam even was thought of....sooo by your own standards Jews are the first rightful owners of the land they now hold.... the only argument against that is that there were other peoples living in the area at the time such as the caananites who are an extinct race of peoples. Gaza was a separate land from Israel way back then just as it is to day and was at that time occupied by the Philistines. Now I know you are aware of all this Len because we went through it all a couple of years ago so would you agree that the Jews of to day and the state of Israel are the rightful owners of the land they are on to day? Are native American indians the rightful owner of all American lands...yours included? and should all native lands be returned to it's first owners?