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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: twmoore who wrote (12171)	12/20/2005 4:06:36 PM
From: Don Earl	Respond to of 20039

Well, as the saying goes, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.". Tom Engelhardt certainly brings that one to a new low. Do people really buy his books? Amazing. There is something radically wrong with everything coming out of the so called "Anti War Movement". If anything, it looks like a tail chasing, misinformation propaganda campaign more than anything else. I have yet to see a single piece from the anti war crowd that even hints at questioning the official story of what happened on 9/11. Not only does the anti war crowd not question the official story, nearly everything that comes out of that crowd accepts the official story at an almost religious level. In other words, take it on faith as it would be blasphemous to question it. Without quite coming right out and saying it, he accuses Steven Hatfill of being behind the anthrax attacks, with thinly veiled innuendos that he should be hauled off and tortured. According to Tom Engelhardt, "Just a week after the Twin Towers went down, the first of seven letters filled with anthrax arrived not from the distant outlands of the planet, but from Trenton, N.J.". There were only 4 letters containing anthrax and it was approximately a month after 9/11 when they arrived. While he did casually mention that 2 of the letters went to Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy, if he truly wanted a "pause" button on what was happening at the time, Daschle and Leahy were at that moment the point men of those demanding an investigation of the 9/11 attacks. Good, bad or indifferent, I have never been an anti war advocate in the Ghandi tradition, although I heartily agree with anyone who was/is against Vietnam, Desert Storm or the current Iraq and Afghanistan SNAFUs. Only a fool fights when there's little at stake, much to lose, and nothing to win. The corollary is that when there is much at stake, little left to lose, and everything to win, only a fool refuses to fight. To fully enjoy the fruits of my labor, and to have liberty to peacefully go about my private affairs without being bothered, means a lot to me. Perhaps my views were unduly influenced by things I learned as a child, but I believe I have adequately examined those views from an adult perspective, reaching the same conclusions. A willingness to defend one's person and property is justified. I find it fantastically difficult to comprehend the sheep like mentality of the anti war movement's unwillingness to not only fight for the things they hold dear, but also their flat refusal to wield the truth in any meaningful fashion. Under the circumstances, contempt is the most they deserve from any right thinking person.

To: twmoore who wrote (12171)	12/22/2005 4:21:35 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20039

Tom Engelhardt's lenghty piece is interesting and I agree with most of it, yet, like most dissenters in the US, Engelhardt fails to address the gist of the issue and lucubrates on elusive concepts such as "the US's imperial policy".... Now, let's stop and look for a moment at that familiar bugaboo, the so-called American Empire. If anything, it's ebbing and retreating WORLDWIDE --except in the Middle East. Everywhere, the US's allegedly imperial hubris has actually backfired and brought about the REVERSE outcome!! It started with Inacio Lula da Silva in Brazil, Chavez in Venezuela and, lately, that guy (I don't recall his name) in Bolivia... Even conservative Mexico is increasingly at odds with the US (and the 2,000-mile fence won't help it). Ditto with Europe. Ditto with Asia.... If, as mouthy pundits have it, the US was really bent on securing a worldwide empire then the 9/11 conspirators wouldn't have spun 9/11 as an Islamic plot but as a CHINESE one instead! They would have trumped up a cast of Chinese/Asian hijackers in place of Mohammed Atta and co. --because the Chinese behemoth, feeding upon the US market, makes up the one and only threat to US hegemony --not Arab wastelands, not the Arab Street, not the boastful mullahs! Well, that is, unless you take ISRAEL's national interest into account... Bring Israel into the picture and it's an altogether different kettle of fish. But that's not the spin the media-military complex wants to put on the whole affair, hence the propaganda ploy --all too popular on the left-- to blow the US-Israeli folie à deux() out of all proportion and somehow dilute it into a worldwide --almost galactic-- scheme of universal hegemony! US troops keep shedding blood in Muslim Afghanistan, in Iraq, eventually in Syria and Iran, that is, in countries openly hostile to Israel, yet we are told that the US military machine is set on an anti-terrorist crusade WORLDWIDE?!? But tell me, since when the "world" consists only of Israel and her neighbors? Gus () education.yahoo.com