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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (152008)	12/20/2005 3:44:03 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794221

Carter and Clinton both did it. Nothing seems to have happened that we needed to be scared about.

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (152008)	12/20/2005 4:07:05 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794221

In the the case of what the President tried - no paper trail, no record, Oh, there is a very good paper trail, just not a court one. People involved keep records. They have to report to their superiors on what they have done. And it is subject to congressional investigation. That is the reason key people in Congress were kept informed. We have this fiction, reinforced by novels, that the CIA does stuff "off the books." Not so. They have a record of everything they have done. It's just highly classified.

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (152008)	12/20/2005 9:30:19 PM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 794221

What really silly argruments you make. Everything is electronic today. What is being monitored is all recorded. Paper cannot touch the detail that is recorded. And destroying paper is trivial compared to destroying electronic records. And the why is simply that detection is real time and FISA is not. If you are confused, think about it. Read about shred as a primer. Note: shreding makes it harder to recover data. It qualitatively may destroy it. Real classified procedures require physically destroying the media, yes one must mechanically destroy even hard drives. linux.about.com shred - delete a file securely, first overwriting it to hide its contents Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order to make it harder for even very expensive hardware probing to recover the data. I've written a generic wipe utility for linux using shred. [ 702 ] > cat /usr/local/bin/fill-and-shred.com #!/bin/csh #fill-and-shred.com this file allocates 100000M or arg 1 files # until 100M or arg 2 space remains one a device. # then is shreds all the created files. shred -f -v -z -u # define fill file size $1 default 100M # define minimum available for filling to stop fill and start shred $2 echo usage arg 1 is filefilesize in k-bytes, echo arg 2 is available limit for fill in bytes. echo arg 3 is filesystem hda2, hda2, sda1.... etc. echo usage: fill-and-shred.com defautl arg 1 is 100000k, default arg 2 1000000 00 or 100Mbytes. echo usage: fill-and-shred.com if ( $1 == "" ) then set fillsize=100000 else set fillsize=$1 endif if ( $2 == "" ) then set remainlimit=100000000 else set remainlimit=$2 endif if ( $3 == "" ) then set rootdir=`pwd \| P2 \\\/` echo line 22 rootdir $rootdir else set rootdir=$3 endif set available=` df \| grep $rootdir\|p4` echo line 25 available $available set ten=10 set hun=100 set c=1 while ( $remainlimit < $available ) if ( $c < $ten ) then set filename = zz-fill00$c.dat else if ( $c < $hun ) then set filename = zz-fill0$c.dat else set filename = zz-fill$c.dat endif dd bs=1024 if=/dev/zero of=$filename count=$fillsize set available=` df \| grep $rootdir\|p4` echo creating file $filename space remaining on $rootdir is $available @ c++ end echo finished filling $c files created, begin shred. shred -f -v -z -u zz-fill*.dat