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To: neolib who wrote (7711)	12/20/2005 9:02:58 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541996

I tend to associate libertarians with the right wing property rights variants, not the left leaning free speech types. A strong majority of people who would self identify as libertarian (or regularly be called libertarian by others) support a great deal of protection for both property rights and free speech. I would consider them two examples of the same thing, freedom, or liberty (which is of course the root of "libertarian". Tim

To: neolib who wrote (7711)	12/20/2005 9:18:16 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541996

Markets imply monetary systems In deference to your concern about the word, "marketplace," I will use "agora," which denotes "gathering place," a term for cultural transactions as well as business transactions. Rural areas are well known to be less tolerant of governmental regulation. Urban areas are much more tolerant. This is so well known that I'm surprised you would suggest otherwise. I didn't. I said that the agora works best where there are more people. I didn't speak to whether people living in low population rural areas were more or less libertarian than those in high density population areas. We're talking about two different things. Look at the Red/Blue divide in the USA in general and how that correlates to population density. Likewise here. I don't know how cities being more socially libertarian and rural areas being more property libertarian speaks to the question of the effectiveness of the agora. If you're having trouble thinking of libertarianism without the business or Darwinian overtones, maybe thinking of it as decentralized rather than centralized decision making would resonate more.