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To: sea_urchin who wrote (9547)	12/22/2005 3:29:53 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: Trying to dig out peoples' race from their origins is exactly what Hitler did -- and you are trying to emulate him -- and also the ANC. Wrong. I was merely retorting to that quip of yours: But if the blacks don't like it in Europe they can stay in their homes in Africa -- but it's because their home countries are unlivable that's why they leave. It's far easier for them to bitch and moan in Europe than in Zimbabwe or Nigeria or the Congo, wherever,... Again, your cunning attempt at equating white racism with non-white "counter-discrimination" doesn't cut it: But if white SAns don't like it in South Africa they can pack up and go back to their homes in Europe or some other WASP outpost -- but it's because their home countries were unlivable that's why they left. It's far easier for them to bitch and moan in South Africa than in Britain or the Netherlands or the US, wherever,....() Gus () White South Africans fail to win asylum in US Rory Carroll in Johannesburg Saturday April 24, 2004 The Guardian A white South African couple have failed to win asylum in the US after judges rejected their plea of persecution on the grounds that post-apartheid South Africa had left them jobless and fearful of crime. Michael and Edith Gormley argued that if deported from the US they risked being mugged and marooned without work because of South Africa's crime wave and its affirmative action policy to boost black employment. A federal appeals court in San Francisco dismissed the asylum application on Thursday, saying the couple had failed to prove they faced persecution. "Substantial evidence supports the conclusion that the Gormleys suffered, at most, what may be perceived as reverse discrimination which resulted in some adverse economic consequences," said Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw, the Associated Press reported. The Gormleys entered the US as visitors in 1999 after Mr Gormley lost his job as a construction supervisor and Mrs Gormley lost hers as a civil servant. Like many white South Africans who did the so-called chicken run after apartheid fell in 1994, they blamed legislation such as the employment equity act of 1998 for blighting their job prospects. But the Gormleys, who settled in Bainbridge Island, Washington, went further than other expats by applying for refugee status. They sought to bolster their case by claiming that their race made them especially vulnerable to crime. Mr Gormley said he feared being victimised after three black men stole his mobile phone in 1998, then six black men wielding knives stole his watch and phone. But Justice Wardlaw said Mr Gormley had not convinced US immigration officials that the crimes had been racially motivated: "Robberies of this sort are an all too common byproduct of civil unrest and economic turmoil." The Gormleys, now working as bagpackers at a supermarket, were not immediately available for comment. It is understood a community fundraiser generated $13,000 (£7,400) for their legal fees. South Africa's unemployment rate is pushing 40% and it has one of the world's highest murder rates. But analysts agree that white South Africans are still relatively cushioned from such hardships. Last week the country held its third election since white minority rule yielded to multi-racial democracy, returning the ruling ANC to power. Tributes to racial reconciliation are expected next week when dozens of heads of state attend President Thabo Mbeki's second-term inauguration. Despite polls showing optimism about the future, more than 16,000 people emigrated last year - up nearly half on the previous year and the highest number since 1994. Britain, North America, Australia and New Zealand are the main destinations. Many emigrants are middle-class whites who cite crime and concern that affirmative action policies will inhibit their children's job prospects. But anecdotal evidence from airlines and removalists suggests many of those who fled post-1994 are being lured back by the country's stability. A campaign, called Come Home, is working to bring back skilled people. guardian.co.uk

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9547)	12/22/2005 5:51:06 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: Trying to dig out peoples' race from their origins is exactly what Hitler did -- and you are trying to emulate him -- and also the ANC. Here's some grist to your mill: Posted on Wed, Oct. 26, 2005 Under pressure, South Africa expropriating white-owned farm By Shashank Bengali Knight Ridder Newspapers [...] "The biggest problem has been that farmers have been negotiating with the government in bad faith," said Lucas Mufamabi, an activist with the Alliance of Land and Agrarian Reform Movements. The expropriation order "is a precedent-setting kind of case that we hope will encourage other farmers to negotiate in the true sense of the word," Mufamabi said. Visser, a broad-shouldered, silver-haired man of 47, said he wasn't opposed to selling his farm or to the idea of land restitution. But he plans to appeal the expropriation because he thinks the government's offer on his property is too low. His family bought the farm 160 miles west of Johannesburg in 1968, but the dry climate and swirling dust storms in the arid North West province were inhospitable to crops. Visser, who has a master's degree in animal husbandry, took over the farm in 1992 and started a meat-processing business. "This farm was the reason I studied agriculture," he said. "It was always going to be mine." He built a two-story house, which he shares with his wife and five teenage children, and a modest slaughterhouse. The government has offered $269,000, based on the recommendation of an independent appraiser, but Visser wants at least $462,000 as compensation for improvements he's made. [...] realcities.com Now, I grant you that SA's land redistribution scheme smacks of Nazi Germany's Aryanization program from 1933 on, when tens of thousands of Jewish shopkeepers and businessmen were compelled to bequeath their assets to Aryan individuals/companies... There is, however, a big difference: Jews in 1930s Germany were not offered the luxury of quibbling with Nazi officials over the fair price of their businesses. If, as you put it, the ANC government and Zimbabwe's Mugabe were indeed "emulating" the Nazis, fussposts such as Mr Visser would be unceremoniously dumped into some concentration camp or over the high seas... to feed white sharks. BTW, here's my current read: The Third Reich in Power, 1933-1939 (Hardcover) by Richard J. Evans amazon.com