To: Lane3 who wrote (7773 ) 12/21/2005 12:42:43 PM From: neolib Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541977 That is certainly a new way of looking at it for me. I'd cautiously say I like it. But... First it seems like you don't get a culture, rather you have multiculturalism. Unless you want to define culture as the culture of multiculturalism. Once everyone starts voting restrictions that shape the collective culture, you're collapsing the libertarian space. I'm assuming that this happens democratically, so the original political configuration space is not the issue, i.e. I'm not worried about externally imposed restrictions, or ones from inception. My contention is simply that democratic systems, as they move from sparse population density to high population density, move from greater liberty to more restricted liberty, and that this occurs directly as the result of increased interaction between the members of the society. The reason this happens is very simple. Any action I do in a low population density is less likely to negatively impact others in that society, compared to the same action in a high density environment. Most people recognise this, and as a consequence, democratically vote to restrict or regulate those areas they deem necessary to promote a safe and stable society. The idea of looking at libertarianism as the open exchange of ideas is only part of the equation. Freedom of expression, at least in western culture arouse, largely as a reaction to dogmatic religious control in the middle ages. This exists entirely independent of the other political aspects of libertarianism. Socialistic countries can have very good freedom of expression. Libertarianism cannot be divorced from its stance on freedom of action in the economic and property spheres. Its those spheres that become impacted in high density situations.