To: TimF who wrote (7823 ) 12/21/2005 5:14:41 PM From: neolib Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542004 If you remove government control from the culture it can more easily evolve, but you could have a society with very strict ideas, perhaps religiously derived, but who also chooses not to implement those ideas as a matter of law or by the use of force. Such a society could possibly be very stable. People who strongly disagree would leave or perhaps be shunned, or at least have a very bad reputation. Make a diagram of religions having a Christian heritage which arose just in the USA. There is no way that a society which prizes freedom and allows it will maintain a homogenous culture for very long, assuming that you could construct such starting conditions in the first place. Evolving religious views would be one of the ways it would splinter.You seemed to be implying more than that. That not just that high density areas tended to vote for more left/collective ideas, but that such areas never are relatively libertarian and that libertarianism couldn't work in such areas. Yes, I am implying more. I think it drives the political landscape in that direction. If you could show me a single example of a major metropolitan area in the USA which is significantly more conservative/libertarian than the combined rural areas lying further out, I would perhaps alter my views, but the statistical weight for the entire USA in that regards would still be quite firmly on my side. Remember, the urban areas in the USA were once rural, and had similar political views with other rural areas. I'm maintaining that the process of urbanization results in a clear shift in political thought. The question open to debate is why? I maintain that the answer is largely the result of closer interactions with other people, real or imagined.