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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (71976)	12/25/2005 2:45:15 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

BS

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (71976)	12/25/2005 4:24:20 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 81568

chinu You said...."This is pertinent to you and your views. There is no such thing as Islamic terrorist. They are terrorists not because of their belief in Islam."..... Ya right, sure, and when they scream allah akabar or god is great as they cut off some innocent persons head or crash airplanes into buildings or blow themselves up in an attempt to murder as many innocent people as they can because they believe their god will reward them in a paradise somewhere for murder...you think that has nothing to do with the islam religion. You gotta be kidding. Why even democratic fanatics here take you seriously and continue to follow your lead is baffling. Even they should be able to spot your agenda for what it is. Here . Now I know you think you are much more intelligent than the following author but This is pertinent to you. This person disagrees with you. this person thinks there is such a thing as islam terrorists WHY ISLAMIC TERRORISTS DO WHAT THEY DO by Dr. Mark Gabriel ABOUT THE AUTHOR Dr. Mark Gabriel, former professor of Islamic history at Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt, the most prestigious Islamic University in the world, was able to quote the entire Quran by the time he was twelve years old. Raised in Egypt, in the midst of a breeding ground of Islamic terrorists, he spent his formative years deep inside the confines of Muslim influence. His own family disowned him after he converted to Christianity, and angry Muslims tried to kill him several times. He escaped his homeland and now resides in the United States. As a reflection of his new life in Christ, he chose a Christian name to replace his Muslim name. internationalwallofprayer.org

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (71976)	12/25/2005 4:28:24 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 81568

chinu. You said...."There is no such thing as Islamic terrorist."..... Do you never tire of always being wrong? Here is another person who disagrees with you. Motivation of the Islamic Terrorists Ever since 9/11/01, Americans have been mystified by the motivation of the terrorists of that day. Actually, for many years, Israel has faced regular incidents with terrorists with the same motivation. It is hoped that this essay will help clarify some issues. Those 19 Muslims of 9/11 are nearly always referred to as "suicide bombers" as are all of them in Israeli incidents. That certainly is the reality of the situation, but it is quite different from what they perceive it to be. Yes, to some extent, there were political motivations, and the desire to please their leader, and the responsibility to follow orders. But a much higher motivation exists within extremist Islamic terrorists, a religious motivation. Since around 1970, a small but growing group of aberrant Muslims have been teaching a VERY improper understanding of their religious Koran. Since Muslims all believe that the Koran is the very words of God (Allah) Himself, when they are taught bizarre interpretations of the meaning of some sections of it, they come to truly believe that they are REQUIRED to do terrorist acts, against Israel (their "enemy") and the United States (Israel's friend, so their perceived "enemy"). On top of this believed requirement for such acts is the bonus of believing that, having done it (in a specific way), they will immediately go to Paradise (Heaven). mb-soft.com

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (71976)	12/25/2005 4:31:11 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 81568

chinu. And here is another who disagrees with your outrageous statement...."There is no such thing as Islamic terrorist.".... The Evolution of Islamic terrorism an overview. Definition of Terrorism. the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives." -- U.S. Department of Defense publication In the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the U.S., the threat of militant Islamic terrorism -- rooted in the Middle East and South Asia -- has taken center stage. While these extremely violent religious extremists represent a minority view, their threat is real. As pointed out by RAND's Bruce Hoffman, in 1980 two out of 64 groups were categorized as largely religious in motivation; in 1995 almost half of the identified groups, 26 out of 56, were classified as religiously motivated; the majority of these espoused Islam as their guiding force.

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (71976)	12/25/2005 4:35:43 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Well I'm sure even you get the picture that your outrageous statement..."There is no such thing as Islamic terrorist.".... was a pretty foolish thing to say. Why don't you take the time to do a tiny bit of research before you come out with these BS statements?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (71976)	12/25/2005 5:44:38 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 81568

Chinu. I'll bet after this statement from you....There is no such thing as Islamic terrorist.".... You would never understand or approve of the USA government doing their best to protect American citizens from this kind of attack from ISLAM TERRORISTS And why in the world would they monitor mosque's? :-) Detroit Nuclear search targets Muslims December 24, 2005 freep.com FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER Federal agents secretly monitored Muslim homes and mosques in Detroit for radiation linked to terrorist bombs, according to published reports -- a disclosure Friday that prompted disbelief and outrage in Michigan's large Islamic communities. Under the program, agents with the FBI and U.S. Department of Energy targeted a range of private Muslim institutions without court approval or warrants. Federal officials say they set up the program in Detroit and five other cities to thwart a nuclear attack from Islamic extremists, according to a U.S. News and World Report article that was confirmed Friday by the U.S. Justice Department. But local Muslims say its ludicrous to suspect that any area mosque or home populated by Muslims would be storing radioactive material for a bomb. "It's ridiculous," said Imam Abdullah El-Amin, chairman of the board at the Muslim Center in Detroit and head of the Council of Islamic Organizations in Michigan. "It's taking our civil liberties away." The revelation is the latest report on surveillance that has unnerved local Muslims and Arab Americans. Last week, it came to light that the National Security Agency eavesdropped on hundreds of Americans without court approval. And on Tuesday, the FBI released files revealing that counterterrorism agents sent a memo to Detroit's FBI office, noting that two members of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, a civil rights groups that has a chapter in Dearborn, had attended an antiwar conference in California. "We're wasting time and money and getting bad information based on a misunderstanding of a faith and people," said Imam Mohammad Elahi, head of the Islamic House of Wisdom in Dearborn Heights. "Our tax money is being wasted on something totally meaningless, and in some cases, illegal." Local FBI officials could not be reached Friday to comment on the latest report, but local agents have said in the past that the Detroit office does not target people based on their religion or political views. Elahi said he and other Muslims have a good working relationship with the FBI in Detroit, a relationship he hopes can continue without abuses of the law. According to the report in U.S. News and World Report, in 2002, federal agents began tracking more than 100 Muslim institutions in six cities Washington and its suburbs, Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, New York and Seattle to detect radiation that may potentially be used to make bombs. Brian Roehrkasse, a Justice Department spokesman, said Friday that the administration "is very concerned with a growing body of sensitive reporting that continues to show Al Qaeda has a clear intention to obtain and ultimately use chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear" weapons or high energy explosives. To meet that threat, the government "monitors the air for imminent threats to health and safety" but acts only on specific information about a potential attack without targeting any individual or group, he said. "FBI agents do not intrude across any constitutionally protected areas without the proper legal authority," the spokesman said. In a 2001 decision, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that police must get warrants before using devices that search through walls for criminal activity. That decision struck down the use of a heat-sensing device without a warrant that led to marijuana charges against an Oregon man. Roehrkasse said the Justice Department believes that case does not apply to air monitoring in publicly accessible areas. On Friday, after the report was published, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights and advocacy group with a Michigan chapter, called upon the U.S. government to provide details on who it has been monitoring. What disturbed the group was the fact that the government appeared to only focus on Muslims. The group also assailed the idea that American Muslims would be planning any sort of nuclear or terrorist attack. "Where is the proof... of any such activity?" said Dawud Walid, director of the Michigan branch of the council. "It's preposterous." Walid said the FBI should form working partnerships with Muslims rather than "snoop into the personal lives of Muslims indiscriminately."