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To: michael97123 who wrote (43644)	12/26/2005 3:06:13 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

think arabs are somehow beneath democracy How can anyone be "beneath democracy"? As the saying goes, democracy is the worst form of gov't- -except fot all the others. Arabs are no more "beneath democracy" than we are, the British are, or the Canadians are. I have read all i can about the election results and the keys to me seem to be the disqualification of 90 sunni candidates for being former baath party members and what amounts to the continued shiaa/kurd alliance of convenience to keep their respective areas under their separate control while minimilizing the sunni. Bad move. Very bad. All of these things are conducive to either civil war or an ultimate three state solution or both. With the three states, the sunni area becomes an oilless, non-viable state and will become the mideasts next palestine while kurdistan becomes the next israel stick in the eye to the arabs, that is if the turks allow it. How about a Turkish invasion of northern Iraq and combining it with eastern Turkey which is largely Kurdish? And the shiaa area has the potential to be a puppet of iran but if not that, certainly within irans sphere of influence. Also in three state shiaa will begin to ask for immediate US withdrawl as well. IRan can replace us there and if we are not prepared to leave another insurgency in the South might ensue. Like you i am still hoping if not exactly hopeful. I am also hoping that if iraq deteriorates President Bush will at least understand that our presence at some point will become untenable. It may take a change of US regime to accomplish that.

To: michael97123 who wrote (43644)	12/28/2005 11:15:23 AM
From: Solon	Respond to of 90947

As much as we all like to preach equality and the brotherhood of man--I think that there is some evolutionary sense within various groupings of humans that operates at a very insular level. The ability to see ones survival as a distinct group as encompassing larger and larger spheres of humanity is dependent on certain qualities of conceptualization. It is impossible to impose such an understanding on people. It is like teaching tigers, rabbits, deer, and lions to sleep together in peace. Such an endeavor is worth only so many human sacrifices. You are right--at some point one must get out of the corral and secure the gate.