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To: one_less who wrote (60828)	12/27/2005 6:25:31 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"The key proponents are persons who are absolutely convinced that there is enough evidence to support ID that it has a legitimate place in the classroom where origins are discussed." Why don't the ID proponents attempt to convince a majority of scientists before they install it in the science classroom? Write papers in journals, present evidence, have results reviewed by peers, etc. Any respectable theory goes through this process BEFORE it's taught to schoolkids. ID wants to go straight to acceptance - because it's NOT science and can't take the scrutiny.

To: one_less who wrote (60828)	12/27/2005 6:39:59 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 173976

<The key proponents are persons who are absolutely convinced that there is enough evidence to support ID that it has a legitimate place in the classroom where origins are discussed.> I have met people who believe in alien abduction -- fortunately they are not in a position to use their political power to force that sort of idiocy on school children. The nutjobs on the right who hide behind their religion attempt to foist their political agenda on school children -- they are a virus on the educational system.

To: one_less who wrote (60828)	1/2/2006 2:35:30 PM
From: Kevin Rose	Respond to of 173976

Most people believe what they've been told by sources and/or methodologies that they have faith in. Who believes what has no bearing on our physical world. That statement does not mean that I do not believe in faith, or that faith does not matter, but that faith has no bearing on our real, physical world. Alas, faith will indeed not move mountains, at least not in this physical world. So, belief has no bearing on science, which is the study of the physical world, based on observable evidence. So, what is this physical evidence that supports ID? Holes in the evolution evidence? Some measurable force that sways random mutations in a particular direction? Some observable force that shows that life mutated in a way that could not be random? Most proponents point to the wonders of life as evidence that there is no randomness. Unfortunately, awe is not a good reason for declaring the scientific existence of a higher power. As far as being forced to choose between faith and evolution, that is an artificial constraint. I, for one, choose to believe in both a God and evolution, believing that He has chosen to provide us with the wits to figure things out. If He gave us both intelligence and faith, why can't they coexist? Why should we deny His gift of intelligence? If, at the end of it all, we find out that indeed there was a guiding hand in evolution, that would be a wondrous discovery. Why not let His gift of intelligence, through the tool of science, make that discovery? I do not fear ID. I fear an abandonment of intellect that would throw us backward to the times when the Church declared which science was allowed, and which science was heresy.