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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (266165)	12/27/2005 4:23:37 PM
From: Taro	Respond to of 1578138

Hoards of people have jointly been watching flying saucers ( a case down under was spectacular I believe) and still nobody believed them in their "mass hysteria". Incidentally I saw a reported case myself, back in the late 60s up in Copenhagen. Just a glowing globe seemingly engulfed in flames hanging over the Western horizon towards Sweden. Not moving much and I had no clue about what it could have been. A couple of years later I saw it reported in a book as one of many seeings confirmed by many observers. Taro

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (266165)	12/28/2005 2:08:00 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578138

Tonite at the gym, I saw the Larry King show on CNN. I don't know if you know Tracy Nelson.....she's the daughter of Rick Nelson, a singer from the 1950s who got killed in a plane crash. She and her bros were on the show.....I am not sure why. But at one point, she said that she had had cancer. And the way she found out she had it was from her father AFTER he had been killed in the accident. For a year, she had dreams where he would come and tell her to go to a doctor. For whatever reason, she ignored his messages. Finally, one time he came and said "Damn it, why are you not going to the doctor?". Apparently, that freaked her out and she finally saw a doctor who diagnosed her with cancer. As a seemingly devout Christian, what would be your take be on what she experienced; that is, what happened to her in her dreams? For an example, would you believe it was really her father who made contact with her, or did she arrange to have her psyche provide the message about her cancer in the form of her father? BTW these aren't trick questions......I am just curious how religious people view these experiences. Certainly, this is not the first time I have heard of this kind of thing. Apparently, some people have dreams about the dead on a fairly regular basis and its not unusual for the dead to provide info to the dreamer that they wouldn't know otherwise. ted

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (266165)	12/28/2005 8:29:34 AM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1578138

I saw this guy speak on CSPAN...what he said resonated quite well with what is going on today...have you read his book ? Al ===================================================== When Religion Becomes Evil : Five Warning Signs (Paperback) by Charles Kimball amazon.com Editorial Reviews From Publishers Weekly By now it's commonplace to remark that more violence than good has been committed in the name of religion. The terrorist attacks of September 11 and the continuing Israeli-Palestinian strife confirm this age-old aphorism. Wake Forest religion professor Kimball has made something of a career out of speaking about the ways in which religion becomes evil. Every religion has the capacity to work either for good or evil, and he contends that there are five warning signs that we can recognize when religion moves toward the latter. Whenever a religion emphasizes that it holds the absolute truth-the one path to God or the only correct way of reading a sacred text-to the exclusion of the truth claims of all other religions and cultures, that religion is becoming evil. Other warning signs include blind obedience to religious leaders, apocalyptic belief that the end time will occur through a particular religion, the use of malevolent ends to achieve religious goals (e.g., the Crusades) and the declaration of holy war. Kimball focuses primarily on the three major Western monotheistic religions, although his examples also include new religious movements such as the People's Temple, Aum Shinrikyo and the Branch Davidians. Religion can resist becoming evil by practicing an inclusiveness that allows each tradition to retain its distinctiveness while it works for the common good. Kimball's clear and steady voice provides a helpful guide for those trying to understand why evil is perpetrated in the name of religion. Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information, Inc. From Library Journal 9/11 A Baptist minister and author with a doctorate in the history of religions from Harvard, Kimball was involved in facilitating communication with the militant students who held hostages at the U.S. embassy in Iran in 1979. He also served as the director of the Middle East office of the National Council of Churches and since 1990 has worked in a university setting. His background explains why he is more than qualified to deal with the controversial subject of this book. After 9/11, we all need to consider how religious practice can lead to evil. Kimball includes many religions in his discussion but focuses on Christianity and Islam because they are the largest and are both missionary religions. Is religion part of the problem of evil? Kimball answers yes and no. He offers five warning signs (e.g., absolute truth claims, calls for blind obedience) of when religion is in danger of becoming corrupt. As he points out, it is urgent for us all to be aware of these signs because we all share one planet. His book is extremely informative, well written, and timely. Highly recommended for all libraries. John Moryl, Yeshiva Univ. Lib., New York Copyright 2002 Reed Business Information, Inc.--This text refers to the Hardcover edition.