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To: philv who wrote (23994)	12/28/2005 6:40:35 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81087

Phil > it surely seems to me we are rushing into an unavoidable collision course between two intransigent opposites. It certainly seems like that. The deciding factor I would imagine is the appetite the US has for more war and, indeed, how much more the US is prepared to compromise its own interests, particularly in Iraq, for that of Israel's "security". As we discussed the other day, the Shiites are the dominant group in Iraq and the US requires Iran's tacit goodwill to see that democracy under a Shiite dominated government can succeed. Israel, of course, would be glad if there was civil war in Iraq and so at this point the interests of the two nations do not coincide. Here's a piece which, incidentally, I posted elsewhere and which indicates that all may not be such smooth sailing for Israel's influence on the US in future. rebelion.org >>Along with the arrest of Libby by the Federal Prosecutor, the FBI has arrested the two leading policy makers of the most influential pro-Israeli lobby (AIPEC) for spying for the State of Israel. These are not simply isolated actions by individual officials or investigators. To have proceeded against powerful Zioncon leader Irving Libby and AIPEC leaders (Rosen and Weissman), they had to have powerful institutional backing; otherwise the investigations would have been terminated even before they began. The CIA is deeply offended by the Zioncon usurpation of their intelligence role, their direct channels to the President, their prime loyalty to the State of Israel and their ignorance of reliable sources. The military is extremely angry at their exclusion from the councils of government over questions of war, the disastrous war policy which have depleted the armed forces of recruits, devastated troop morale, and the Zioncons grotesque ignorance of the costs of a colonial occupation. It is no wonder that General Tommy Frank referred to Zioncon Douglas Feith as “the stupidest bastard I have ever met.”<< Etc.

To: philv who wrote (23994)	12/29/2005 12:30:42 AM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81087

Phil and Searle, I am not well read on the current subject but I wanted to post about it because I believe that the Middle East is the focal point for the possible demise of Democracy. At least in the way we know it. I understand that Iran is very close to a nuclear weapon. All they need is processed uranium and I believe they may even have that under wraps. It is well known that there is no secret to building an atomic bomb, only one's ability to deliver it on a missile. This may take some time but Israel, nonetheless has plenty to worry about by just the prospect of having one transported near enough to them to kill tens of thousands, perhaps. I do not believe that America has any rapport with Iran, even secretly, as Searle surmises. The leaders are radical Islamists and they have said some pretty inflammatory things as of late such as denying the holocaust. These guys have a different mindset than us and I believe they still think they can call the shots with Russia's backing and the incident during the Carter administration where we looked like cowering fools to them. They will try to destroy us economically first. This will force Israel/America to use some small action to bomb them. My greatest fear is war. The big guys know that a war with each other will mean Armaggedon so we fight each other through small countries. IMO, this is dry tinder looking for a match. James