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To: Lane3 who wrote (1823)	12/28/2005 7:54:11 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2253

If something is tangible, then it's not supernatural. Tangible is the realm of science. Supernatural isn't. So if science can explain something it wasn't supernatural... But if you assume the supernatural exists (just for the sake of argument) than it can be tangible or at least have tangible effects without being explainable by science (unless the "explanation" is just a general categorizing of the nature and/or effects of the supernatural manifestation. dictionary.reference.com* su·per·nat·u·ral Pronunciation Key (spr-nchr-l) adj. 1. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world. 2. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces. 3. Of or relating to a deity. 4. Of or relating to the immediate exercise of divine power; miraculous. 5. Of or relating to the miraculous. Well I suppose definition 1 either wouldn't be tangible or wouldn't be tangible in the natural world which is what science explains. Definition 2 and on could be tangible, but you wouldn't call something miraculous if it was understood by science (at least after it was understood, before that it might be called a miracle). "Yet the most interesting areas of science are those where things aren't nailed down and cut and dried." The kind of science that kids need to learn is nailed down enough. Save those interesting areas for college and let kids learn what they need to know of more basic science. I think I agree with that. Edit - At least as part of the required curriculum for normal students. To the extent you can get in to the more uncertain areas and how science really works it might be a good idea, but I'm not sure it should be a school board decision, but rather something extra a teacher does or perhaps some sort of advanced class. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (1823)	12/29/2005 6:23:47 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2253

Not sure where we can take this discussion further. You're ruling out the idea that anything supernatural can exist or is imaginable for you. So .... On the subject of the existence of God, for anyone who's interested in the issue - an excellent book is The Question of God by Armand Nicholi Jr. It explores the beliefs and life-long writings of Sigmund Freud and C. S. Lewis on the subject of God. The author has taught a course at Harvard and Harvard Medical School comparing and contrasting their views for the last couple decades. I read the book a couple months ago and found it so interesting I immediately went back to the beginning and re-read it after finishing the first reading. Something I can 't recall ever doing. Both Freud and Lewis were raised in religious homes and both became atheists in their teens. Freud ramained an atheist till his death, while Lewis of course converted to Christianity in midlife. Both men wrote a lot about God throughout their lives so their beliefs and the effect of their beliefs can be discerned. amazon.com