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To: philv who wrote (24002)	12/29/2005 6:31:28 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81084

Phil > I think your judgement is clouded by your negativity towards Israel. That's perfectly true, and with very good reason. Israel is the transgressor in the region, not the Muslims. It therefore behoves Israel to fix up the problem not the Muslims. Israel, furthermore, is known since the 1960s to have a nuclear arsenal -- and outside the approval of the IAEA. In other words, Israel is a rogue state. However, Israel has the blessing of the US and the UK. That gives it respectability and forces the boot on to the other foot where Israel's violations at the UN are not even considered but every apparent transgression of a Muslim country is. This list is ten years old. I'm sure it's much longer now. action-for-un-renewal.org.uk For what it's worth, I don't know whether Iran has atomic bombs or it doesn't? Neither do you and neither does Israel? But Israel claims the doubt is enough to do a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Pre-emptive strikes are completely against the UN Charter. That's what Hitler did and that's what the Nurenberg Trials were all about. But Israel, like its "big brother" the US, can do as it pleases. They can violate the UN Charter if it suits them and then come up with some story like the US came up with after its illegal invasion of Iraq. But since no-one can and will lift a finger to the US, Israel acts with impunity. The truth of the matter is I don't have to justify my "negativity" towards Israel because there is more than enough evidence for my position. But those who continue to support Israel's illegal occupation of land captured in war and all the rest of Israel's UN violations have to justify their position. > others may classify you as a conspiracy nut because of your questioning mind They can say what they like. I know what I am and I have the courage of my convictions to state my opinion. I can face anyone and look them in the eyes because I have wronged no-one. If there is a criticism about me, it's that I'm honest and straightforward. > Why on Gods earth would Iran, or Iraq or any other neighbouring state therefore not want to have the nuclear option in its back pocket to counter Israel's ultimate threat? It is a matter of balance and "right" in their eyes. That would seem most reasonable, I agree. And indeed, if a nation of 6 million people can have nuclear weapons, surely one ten times that size is also entitled to? > They should have been alarmed at Israel's nuclear program, and yes, they should insist on disarming Israel. Indeed, and in fact, as el Baradei said at his Nobel Prizegiving, every effort should be made that every nation reduces/eliminates their nuclear weapons. > I know this won't happen, so we are in a dilemma The West feels it and it alone has the right to have weapons and no-one else. This was exactly the fear of the Rosenbergs who gave the US atomic secrets to USSR in the 1940s and received the death sentence. Yet, their idea that the only way to "neutralise" the existing atomic weapons was to share the atomic secrets with other nations has proven correct since then. > the Muslim world must continue to feel discriminated and devalued, without a chance to ever match Israel's power and influence. I'm sure they do. But don't think I'm a particular lover of Muslims, because I'm not. I simply believe in the rule of law and not in the rule of the jungle because if we, and that means all of us, do not abide by the laws which we have in fact created for ourselves, then we have no civilisation. That's why I'm disappointed, indeed disgusted, with the way Israel and, particularly, the US have carried on. The US was a founder member of the UN and a signatory to its Charter.

To: philv who wrote (24002)	12/30/2005 2:19:25 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81084

Phil > on the issue of Iran's nuclear ambitions, I must disagree with you.(2) Suddenly, Israel's tune has changed -- it seems after they read my post! news.yahoo.com >>Israeli chief of staff General Dan Halutz ruled out the the prospect of a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear installations in the near future. "I don't think that a military intervention against Iran's nuclear installations should be necessary in the short term," Halutz told army radio. "There is no threat to the existence of the state of Israel as long as Iran does not possess nuclear arms."<<