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To: Dale Baker who wrote (8218)	1/1/2006 8:15:31 AM
From: Mao II	Respond to of 541403

Hi Dale: Beyond the practical impossibility of the task, the fact is that large institutional forces in the business world demand the continued flow of illegal aliens into the country. Their lack of legal status means they have no ability to defend themselves and improve their economic plight. Hence wages remain low and will never improve in industries and areas that depend on such illegal workers. Beyond that, there is the nettlesome issue of what immigration enforcement does to families invariably made up of US citizens and illegal aliens. The families are often simply wrecked. That doesn't seem the kind of policy any government ought to pursue, particularly one purporting to support so-called family values. M2

To: Dale Baker who wrote (8218)	1/1/2006 5:24:03 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 541403

Dale, I asked you: But that aside, what would you do with illegal alien criminals, once you find them? You mentioned several times that we can't stop it from happening: The fact is, we will never have enough enforcement to stop lots of illegals coming in. We will never have enough to stop millions from being employed. We will never have enough enforcement to find all the "illegal alien criminals" and deport them, just like we can't stop all the drug dealers and prostitute and illegal card games and tax evasion and a zillion other endemic illegal activities in our system. In fact, I don't know how to stem the flow. I thought you would by what you had said earlier....you say nothing has worked so far. I do know that either we say it is illegal to come to the US without permission, or it is legal. You can't have it both ways. If no one wants to do anything about it, then let the chips fall where they may. No laws will mean anything eventually to carry that thinking to the logical conclusion. When I made the comment about Ipod manufacturing...I referred to "IMAGINATION"..... By continuing to nasay everything that has been attempted to date, but not to have some sort of idea as to what WILL work, is counterproductive.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (8218)	1/5/2006 6:19:19 AM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 541403

Well, at least US immigration enforcement is in safe hands. Who said the age of nepotism was dead? washingtonpost.com President Bush yesterday made a raft of controversial recess appointments, including Julie L. Myers to head the Immigration and Customs Enforcement bureau at the Department of Homeland Security, in a maneuver circumventing the need for approval by the Senate. Myers, a niece of former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Richard B. Myers and the wife of the chief of staff to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, had been criticized by Republicans and Democrats who charged that she lacked experience in immigration matters. Slate's summary is biting: Another hire will head a preparedness office at the Department of Homeland Security after making a name for herself, as the Post puts it, "demanding that information about racial disparities in police treatment of blacks in traffic cases be deleted from a news release." And a third will head the State Department's office to coordinate emergency relief. She has no experience in emergency management or relief, but, don't fret, she did serve as a state chair of Bush's 2000 campaign. slate.com These appointments show both contempt for the country, since the appointees are so plainly not the best available (nor even notably qualified), and cronyism beyond the point of sense... [Don't you think the last appointee shows the lessons of Brown at FEMA have been well heeded?]