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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: trouthead who wrote (720546)	1/4/2006 12:51:25 PM
From: CYBERKEN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

It comes back to US... Looks like it's totally beyond you to envision what the Founders did: A nation being defended by its C in C without regard to the normal checks and balances. But THAT'S what they wrote into the constitution, as LINCOLN proved. So what's the check and balance? THEY ASSUMED that we would be WISE enough to elect a George Bush rather than a Bill Clinton. If we couldn't take at least that small responsibility, the Founders didn't figure we'd LAST long enough for any of it to matter...

To: trouthead who wrote (720546)	1/4/2006 1:39:08 PM
From: Srexley	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"Let's just deal with this one issue" Ok. "It is doing it (tracking terrorists who pose a security threat) without using the proper channels" The constitution gives the President authority to track folks that are a national security threat without going through FISA (which I assume is the "channel" you are talking about. Agree or disagree? "and oversight" He briefed members of congress and the justice department. In fact he recieved justice department approval for the SECRET program. "This is what can lead to abuse" When abuse is uncovered then you may have something. The program was not abused, nor has anybody demonstrated any evidence that it was. A new low in America when the potential for abuse becomes abuse. "but the way he did it" You mean legally, or in secret? I believe we should have secret programs to keep us safe. What do you think? The only obvious crime committed here is leaking a national secret to the press. A weasely chickenshit move that should not be tolerated. That said if it comes out that Bush was spying on people for personal reasons you may have something. But there is no evidence of that, and I would think this heroic "whistle blower" would have brought that up with the times (and our enemies) when he was giving them details of our secret national security programs. Here are two simple questions I would like you to answer. There is a premise to these questions that I think you will agree with. It is that all secret programs have the POTENTIAL for abuse. Based on that: Should they all be broadcast to our enemies? Should we eliminate all secret programs? Thanks.