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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (179387)	1/7/2006 1:41:05 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Again.. "Image" matters in this regard.. View it as a temporal black box. In the beginning there was Saddam's Iraq. In the end (some few years out) there will be what we caused to happen. The details of what happened in between are not terribly relevant in the end in deciding if that outcome is good or bad. You focus on the impact of America running on the WOT. I'm more concerned about the affect of Iraq not turning out OK on the WOT. It matters not if we say the Iraqis brought it on themselves by not being secular nationalists. Saddam was a good secular nationalist. I think Iraq will limp along in united fashion until the Kurds have had a few years of being effectively independent, and being competent at it, at which point they'll say bye, and the Sunnis and Shiaa will be left to contemplate their own future. We'll stay stuck in the mess until then.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (179387)	1/7/2006 4:18:52 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nit --- Wit. The Iraqi government has already asked us to leave. "US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack was asked yesterday about the US reaction to the resolution as adopted by this meeting in Cairo of the Iraqis "basically demanding some sort of timetable for the withdrawal of US troops and also basically legitimizing the sense of resistance to the occupation, using the word 'resistance,' which is pretty loaded?" arabicnews.com GET OUT. Why isn't this clear to you? Do you not read the newspaper in Baghdad? Iraq wishes to become closer to Iran and wishes to keep its oil for its own purposes. Tough Noogies. The US legacy of Vietnam isn't CUT & RUN, it's engaging in a war of choice for no good reason and then continually lying about it while prosecuting it badly. If indeed the US had CUT & RUN early from Vietnam things wouldn't have been nearly so bad and we wouldn't have lost so many people and been so utterly wounded by the experience.