To: TGPTNDR who wrote (182580 ) 1/7/2006 6:42:32 PM From: aleph0 Respond to of 275872 OT: on cars.. Porsche and Mercedes are definitely worth the money IMO ! Ferdinand Porsche designed the first Merc motors as well as Hitlers Tank motors BTW. My first "love" was my 911 Targa - parted with it for a 911 SC. I then got a little older and matured to 3 Mercs which passed through my hands after a total of ca. 1 million Km. and the only defect was 1 water pump ( 300,000 Km. ). Nearly every farmer in Germany drives a Merc BTW ! You often see old Merc Taxis for sale with 1 mio. Km. on the clock - going for good money. With a Merc Diesel motor, you normally reckon to have to change the motor every 600,000 Km. and the gearbox normally lasts for ca. 900,000 ! The funny thing was that I bought my 911 SC as a 1 year old for 39,000 DM in 1982. Today you can buy the same 1982 911 SC second hand for ca. 10-20,000 Euros ( sometimes more than I paid ) !!faircar.autoscout24.de Another common saying in Germany about buying a second-hand Merc Diesel is : "they're at their best after 200,000 Km., when they've just been 'run-in' " !! Anyone in te US looking for a cheap Merc from Germany should look here : faircar.de . Here's a selection ( ca. 300 ) from the same website for those with Diesel motors starting at 200,000 Km. faircar.autoscout24.de Prices ca. 5,000 Euros upwards - for up to 8-year old models ! There are various factors as to why you can get a Merc in Germany for effectively peanuts : - petrol has become so expensive - Road taxes are high for Diesel motors - Bad German economy forcing people to part with their luxuries Merc Diesels are bought from private people mainly by Turkish businessmen for export to Africa, Turkey, Middle East etc. ..and they get them cheap for the above reasons. In the foreign countries, they bring ca. 3 times the German price ! ( I know a quite a few Turkish businessmen that do this - and know what they get abroad ) Rumour has it that the body-work of the newest Mercs are not as rust-proof as the older models - which surprised me I must say ! ( So I am told by many Taxi drivers as well as a Polish friend who runs a garage/workshop - a so called "KFZ-Meister" ) FWIW