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To: Dale Baker who wrote (8587)	1/9/2006 4:38:06 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541542

I think your brain is stuck in a criminal justice paradigm. I also think you are so invested in your defensive posture against the Bush administration's hegemony (not unwarranted IMO) that there is no room for you to engage creatively on what risks might be faced and what might usefully be done outside of the framework where warrants are relevant. Remember the "failure of imagination" that was mentioned in the 9/11 panel's report? And both are marks of totalitarian regimes. It's important IMO to differentiate between monitoring neighborhoods and monitoring enemies. Enemies are different from neighbors.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (8587)	1/9/2006 4:51:29 PM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541542

Americans Okay With Current Balance Between National Security and Individual Liberty Survey of 1,000 Adults January 2-3, 2005 When it comes to questions about the balance between individual rights and national security, who do you trust more? President Bush 42% Democrats in Congress 44% RasmussenReports.com Did President Bush break the law by authorizing the National Security Agency to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the Unites States? January 4, 2005--Americans are generally comfortable with the current balance between national security concerns and individual liberties. When it comes to questions about the balance between security and liberty, Americans are evenly divided between those who trust President Bush and those who trust Democrats in Congress. Fifty percent (50%) of Americans say the President did not break the law. Rasmussen Reports was the nation's most accurate polling firm during the Presidential election and the only one to project both Bush and Kerry's vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome. Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, has been an independent pollster for more than a decade. (edited)

To: Dale Baker who wrote (8587)	1/11/2006 10:21:53 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541542

I got the impression that you did not want to engage on this, but on the off chance that you do... And both are marks of TOTALITARIAN regimes. I found myself thinking about your "Cuban-style neighborhood watch committees" in the early hours of the morning when my brain was adrift. It seems to me to depend on what is being watched for. Your totalitarian "neighborhood watches" watch for political dissidence, even to the point of being encouraged to find it where it doesn't exist. Dissidence and bad faith. Watching for other enemy activity and doing so in good faith is good citizenship. If I knew that someone in my neighborhood was hatching bombs or anthrax in the basement, I'd sure report him. It would be immoral not to, IMO. It seems reasonable to me to expect citizens to do that. It also seems reasonable for the government to remind them of that responsibility.