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To: Clappy who wrote (49120)	1/11/2006 10:30:50 AM
From: altair19	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 104216

Clappy, <I think it all part of the entire cycle of nature.> Your insights really made me think. I loved working - enjoyed the challenges of solving a client's problem, liked the traveling (even the different airports), loved international travel and the different business cultures, loved working with the management teams I was on, loved packing the schedule with family things and business stuff, loved the money,loved my wife, my kids, loved running marathons, coaching,music, golf. It was always fast paced, fun, exciting, confusing, frustrating, satisfying, mystifying etc. Then, nature intervened with a heart attack and I had to change a bunch of things...mostly diet, schedule, kind of work I do and become more reflective on life. Maybe its a function of age but I get just as much fun out of work and life now as I did when I was younger and riding the rocket sled. It's just different. Life to me was always a series of intense things,... family, work, relationships,etc. I enjoy a walk in the woods, and I also enjoy NYC at Christmas time...different kinds of beauty to me. This probably isn't making much sense, but your insights did make my mind spin a few revolutions. I listened to John Mayer live recording on the nano yesterday - just him, a drummer and a base player "who do you think was" - wow - real beauty. Songs do that for me. file all this under random thoughts........... altair19

To: Clappy who wrote (49120)	1/11/2006 10:40:36 AM
From: Crocodile	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 104216

Clapper~ It just seems to be a lot easier to appreciate it in the mountains than in the big city. i think that's very true. it's easy to get caught up in the rush when you're submersed in it. it's a bit like what i wrote about high school kids just a post or two ago. i think they they get used to noise and rushing around and it takes awhile for them to slow down, talk more quietly, and just begin paying more attention to the natural world around them. that goes for other places as well though... not just the forest. it could just as easily be an art gallery or a museum -- both places where i have spent a lot of time. it often takes awhile for some people to slow down and really look at things instead of just rushing by. in museums, that's one of the most difficult things -- to design exhibits that will encourage people to really study an object -- especially if it is something rather small and intricate. And a lot easier not to get caught up in it when not sitting in front of a desk full of bills. well, that's certainly a big part of why it is that we rush. however, i sometimes wonder how much of it is self-created. at one time, when there was less "stuff" to buy (or want), people often paid off their mortgages while they were still pretty young. and..they didn't feel so threatened by things like having medical insurance, etc... this may or may not seem unrelated, but i think it is... a friend who has done international work for NGO's for most of her life and has pretty much travelled the world, has told me that places that used to be safe and where people were basically contented with their lives, are frequently not safe at all anymore... (that is, speaking from the POV of a woman who used to travel and work in these places alone). she feels that a lot of the problem has occurred as the young people in these countries see all of the "stuff" that people in other countries have -- boomboxes, cameras, clothes, etc... but they know they can never have much more than the clothes on their backs. in countries where there are only low-paying jobs harvesting crops or working in mines, many leave to go to the cities, but most don't get much ahead once there. that leaves only one other viable way to get money or the things that want, and that is through crime (ripping people off for their goods, or through dealing drugs). a life becomes pretty cheap in that kind of climate. it seems it is not so much the older people who want more, but the younger ones who have been influenced by what they see on tv or when they are hanging around people who have already "got stuff". in talking to the older people, my friend has found that these people often say they find the way things have gone to be sort of horrifying and destructive. it's too bad that there seems to be so little "middle ground" between what was, what is, and what will be. ~croc