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To: Crabbe who wrote (3387)	1/15/2006 3:44:31 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Respond to of 219570

<The problem is not that work won't get done, the problem is that people won't do it machines will.> That's not a problem, that's what the last 130 years of industrial revolution have been about. People like it when machines do the work and they get to do the easy stuff. Watch a guy on the end of a shovel and watch a front end loader. Yes, the guy likes to take a break frequently. The problem is that there aren't enough machines doing enough work. Mqurice

To: Crabbe who wrote (3387)	1/15/2006 5:44:34 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 219570

How many people work in a lights out fab? No pensioner! That's why there's no people there. Look to GM and Ford to see what happen when you employ people! This -a fab- what you mention is not a factory. It is a machine. People is a nuisance inside machines. They need to go in and out, which means opening the machine. They need to eat and drink and do the natural urges. And they want to retire!!! Look to chicken farming. You put people in contact with the birds and they cause bird flu by interacting with them. We need a lights out poultry farm. We don't need people inside space probes. A space probe is a machine. Putting people inside machines is bad. People should be put to do what they are good at: designing machines It is not economic to involve people. And that's how it should be. The design of the fab and the design of the chipsets need people. Fabrication doesn't need and get rid of the people. Look the mine disasters in China and this, recent, in Virginia. In a machine we only change the parts. Using people we risk killing, maiming or making them sick. We also do long term damage like causing them to have professional related diseases. And a little pain and they like to retire earlier too!!! MQ is right. You need to remove this people looking into bags, through an X-Ray machine and waving you through airports. We need to get rid of government employees stamping papers. There are an immense need for more machines. People don't like to remove cow dung. Milk cows. Repair bridges. Plow fields. Drive trucks. we need machines. People must be in dire straights to execute those dirty, dangerous or boring jobs. There was a time when people were looking to be employed gainfully and produce something. With the advent of social democracies, regulations for this regulations for that, rights for this rights for that, people now want some entity to lay their body and rake in cash, and 'rights', waiting for the day they go home to scratch their balls and get paid to do nothing while having their health taken care of in a scheme called pension. This was for 1930. Not for 1970 onwards. And the mistake we did was to keep this scheme intact. And to complete: The purpose of an operation is not to dole jobs is to produce cheaper and with the highest possible quality.