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To: michael97123 who wrote (3183)1/16/2006 6:08:13 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 71588
 
Settled law.

You keep using that term but its totally irrelevant. I am not arguing against or ignoring the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. I also have not been arguing for the overturning of any specific Supreme Court decision.

You can be the #1 originalist of all time but you are ignoring the amendments that followed the civil war.

Those amendments are irrelevant to this specific legal right. The specific legal rights against discrimination were granted by civil rights laws not by the post civil war amendments to the constitution.

The amendments in question (full text below) do not mention the actions of private individuals. They do not say "you have a right to not be discriminated against in private business transactions". They deal with the actions of government. The only private action they disallow is privately enforced involuntary servitude.

the racist/JIm Crowers lost the war over civil rights. Get over it.

Nothing to get over. I'm glad the Jim Crow laws are history. It would be even better if they had never existed in the first place. As I said they were an abuse against both the people who where discriminated against, and anyone forced by the laws to discriminate.

You keep trying to change the issue from what I am supporting to something that I oppose, and then you knock down the straw man. I am not talking about "3/5ths of a person", or "Jim Crow" Laws, or voting rights. I am talking about the rights of individuals to freely associate or not associate with other people.

Tim

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Amendment XIII - 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Amendment XIV
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Amendment XV
. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.