To: gpowell who wrote (47174 ) 1/17/2006 5:22:29 AM From: shades Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849 http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21574235 Wealth, itself, is defined here as the degree to which wants and needs are satisfied and, to the extent that material goods and services satisfies these wants and needs I watched this show on A&E called interventionaetv.com Lots of mommas losing thier kids because they can't give up that heroin they want and need and the drug lords satisfy with goods and services - wealth to them is about 5 bags of heroin - some needles - and maybe a few hundred oxycontins on the side for dessert. Wealth to others is spending many days at home raising thier children. To some though that is a miserable unfulfilling chore and should be thought of in terms of unpaid labor. I watched a special on opium and such and the british empire - they said england tried to destroy china through drug addiction to retain control of their imperial empire - that in just a 3 years of "knowledge" coming to the chinese masses over 1/3 of thier population was hooked - La vida loca baby! Amazing - took out 1/3 of china with drug policies! I have chatted this topic up before - we get 90% of the worlds drugs - but in the future that can change and china can share our addictions as she becomes richer. England adopted that as a national policy of dealing with its empire of the past - history repeats. So many of my peers say ICE is 100 times better than orgasm shades - do ICE and you will find all you need and no longer require the warm embrace of a loving woman to feel joy! That scares the shit out of me gpowell - because that is exactly what happened to them - gave up on people, society, surfing, themselves - their want and need is more ICE. They dont want me doing ICE for my joy - they hope I will get hooked and then they can hang around me while I piss my fortune away doing ICE and they are part of the party - hehe. One woman on that show intervention said after trying meth she had found what she had been looking for her whole life - she didnt need a man - she didnt need anyone - all she wanted and needed was more meth - the government makes laws to make her poor - for if she was wealthy she would have lots of meth with your definition right? Prohibition taught this country where the REAL wealth is - not our moral wealth - but getting what the alcohol drinkers needed and wanted - more BEER! hehe But now in Hawaii - paradise - alcoholism is coming second to ICE addiction - that must be some good stuff.My grandfather lived to 90, drank all the moonshine he wanted and screwed all the women he could, and didn't have to worry about big brother tracking him on the satellite or putting tracking bracelets on his ankle. You’d think the prospect of being watched would have added to his excitement. BWAHAHA - that was funny gpowell - I didnt know you had it in you! Yes he probably would have - that wild and crazy guy - good observation. His sons loved thier mother very much - so he kept it on the down low as much as possible or feared beatings by his boys for hurting mommas feelings (that or they just wouldn't go hunting with him as punishment - he liked hunting with his boys). During his many flights to cuba perhaps he went in the room where they watch - bigsister.net the real voyeurs in prague can go to the big sister club (warning explicit images not suitable for closed minded people) The first online worldwide brothel.All evidence suggests we are freer today than we were in 1916, which was the height of the progressive era. The meth heads that are mad about all these laws pulling ephedrine off the counter dont agree I fear. The DUI folks who lose thier job for 1 offense when daddy regularly drove over the yards of the city killing gnomes every friday probably feel less free too. As you say - its subjective how the various citizens measure freedom. Michael Jackson fled to the middle east he felt so constrained I think. Al sharpton just hosted an MLK special - hillary clinton said at that special: "[T]he House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation and you know what I'm talking about..." she said to wild applause. Let’s not confuse the knowledge of how to turn resources into valued goods and services with the pretense to knowledge. Ok - turning plants and chemicals into weed, meth, ice, painkillers are very valued goods and services to many people. So much so several states are beginning to reflect on thier state laws regarding drugs. If the people want alcohol and meth to feel wealthy - should they not be allowed to have what they want in whatever quantities they want?The fact drug addicts exist is your evidence that wealth is decreasing? No - not that they exist - but that they seem to be growing in number among the children/teens of the small towns I used to live. Weed was much harder to distribute than the new designer pills - thats easy - easy to move, conceal, take - wrapping a blunt and smoking - that was time consuming and hard and troublesome. The delivery mechanism fundamentally changed drugs adoption rate in several of these towns amongst the youth. Example - there was a restaurant in one of these towns - texas roadhouse - most of the workers there used ex pills - for fun sometimes a gpowell type would come in and they would dissolve the pills into his drink or food. Its one thing to go down the dark path because of your own choices - but to be sent there by the foolish prank of your waitress - how upsetting - hehe.