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To: RetiredNow who wrote (268874)	1/16/2006 8:45:54 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1571927

"However, Iran is doing exactly what it takes to get themselves in a position to annihilate the Jews." No they aren't. They still haven't done anything about the nuclear weapons that Israel almost certainly has. In addition, Israel is more than capable of building delivery systems that the Iranians can only dream about. Whatever else you might want to say about the Iranians, they aren't stupid. What Iran wants is to be the undisputed power in the region, with the possible exception of Israel. Because of our Iraqi adventure, they have an excellent chance at it. Which is why the rhetoric has heated up recently, it is pretty clear that a unified Iraq will be dominated by the Shiites and a Balkanized Iraq has the biggest chunk being almost all Shiite. It is a win-win for them, either way. While it is possible that Shiastan will want to be independent, it is very dangerous for them. Much safer to join with Iran one way or another.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (268874)	1/17/2006 1:00:09 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571927

I'm pretty sure you are asking in jest. :) No, I am completely serious. 90% of the ME population does not want Israel (in its present form) to exist. Lets say they would like to have the land of Israel and its occupied territories to be one country (lets call it NewCo), with citizenship granted to Palestinian refugees and present day Israeli citizens, and each citizen given one vote. And they would like to have Jews, Christians and Muslims treated equally under the laws of NewCo. This proposal, of course, implies "wiping Israel off the map" since NewCo is not a "Jewish homeland". It is a country where all religious and ethnic groups have equal rights and representation under the law, and no religious group would currently have a greater than 50% majority. What is the appropriate method (in your or anyone else's opinion) for the 90% of the ME population to pursue this desire? The UN is not an option - the US will veto any anti-Israel proposal. The democratic process is not an option. Israelis are not going to let the desires of the 90% of the ME population count in their own decision making process. Armed struggle by groups opposed to Israel is (presumably) not an option - non-ME people call them terrorists. So, how should the majority of the ME population go about pursuing their preference for NewCo to Israel? I'm asking you because you call Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist groups. They are armed expressions of the desires of 90% of the ME population. If Hamas' and Hezbollah's method of pursuing the above expressed goal (removal of Israel, replacing it with something acceptable to the majority of the ME population) are not acceptable to you, what in the world is?