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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (51897)	1/18/2006 8:20:30 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

You actually believe Bush was spying on Al Qaida? Sucker. If Bush had legit targets he would have gone to FISA and gotten immediate approval. He didn't want anyone to know for a reason. Nixon did the same thing but didn't have supercomputers.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (51897)	1/18/2006 8:39:27 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 93284

lol

To: Brumar89 who wrote (51897)	1/18/2006 8:46:26 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Mass surveillance isn't just illegal, it's probably a bad idea. Quoting AS: If Bush had legit targets he would have gone to FISA and gotten immediate approval. There are few, if any, studies demonstrating the effectiveness of mass surveillance. People with something to hide are adept at speaking in codes. Teenagers tell their parents they are "going to the movies" when they are going to drink beer. Attackers know to misspell the victim's name, as journalist Daniel Pearl's kidnappers and murderers did, to evade e-mail surveillance. Meanwhile, modern filtering technology can't distinguish between breast cancer websites and pornographic ones. Any search algorithm, whether public or not, is unlikely to be able to distinguish between innocent and criminal communications. Even if the technology works, it fails. Even if a TMS was 99.9 percent accurate, it will produce a false positive one in 1,000 times. Whether it's facial recognition at the Super Bowl, or sifting through e-mail communications, TMS will inevitably produce an unacceptably high number of false positives. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people will not be allowed to board their planes, will have their houses searched, their bank accounts frozen -- at least until the mistake can be cleared up. At best, a "hit" will require someone to look more closely at the information, and we'll need more agents to do it than we currently have, or could have. As James Bamford related in a recent op-ed, on Sept. 10, 2001, we randomly intercepted calls from pay phones in Afghanistan discussing the Sept. 11 plot, but the calls were not translated and distributed until after the attack. A front page story in Tuesday's Times reports that even the FBI grew frustrated with the countless, fruitless tips produced by the NSA's illegal mass surveillance. If there aren't enough agents or translators to review all the false positives that random surveillance produces now, even before adding mass surveillance of U.S.-based communications to the mix, there's no reason to believe Judge Richard A. Posner's recent assertion that data mining from the innocent will enable detection of a terrorist plot collected from scattered, tiny bits of information. Mass surveillance isn't just illegal, it's probably a bad idea. We need to ferret out real terrorists, not create a smoke screen of expensive and distracting false positives that they can hide behind. More information doesn't make us smarter. We need smarter information. wired.com

To: Brumar89 who wrote (51897)	1/18/2006 9:12:39 PM
From: ChinuSFO	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 93284

BTW I want people who talk to foreign terrorists to be spied on. I'm amazed liberals don't. Idiots and liberals don't go together. Like fascist conservatives, liberals want that people who talk to foreign terrorists to be spied upon. But additionally they want the Govt. to be accountable to the people through the FISA courts. Especially the Bush WH which is losing its credibility very fast with the indictments of the VP's right hand man and the President's right hand man under a cloud, it is all the more important that Bush share his info with the FISA courts. It is not a issue about liberals or conservatives, it is a basic question of Govt accountability in a democracy