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To: GraceZ who wrote (47449)	1/19/2006 2:47:14 PM
From: shades	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Simply telling my story. Ok. Your story, from your experiences with certain conditions at that time in your environment - but environemnts and times change - the world is dynamic. I have my story from my time and experiences - you say the views I draw from that are bullshit. Don't get stuck with your experience - even though it is common and becmoning more so from what I see and I will try not to get stuck in my experience - I do not seek out the crack heads Grace because they are special to me or I WANT too - like I said the drama makes it where often I would rather be here online than out in that BS - that is what is out there now though - the ice heads - the meth heads - the ex users - I take your philosophy - take what life deals you and work with it. Like I told you before - my friends and I liked our small south ga towns and nice people much better before the new drugs inundated them. Which life would I prefer - the old one where drugs were not around to fuck everyone up - things were better then from my viewpoint. I didn't change - my environment did - the times changed - for the negative in many ways. I want to change it again. You dont give a baby access to a button to launch nuclear missles - he is not ready for that responsibility or aware of the consequences - if you can control it - you engineer things that young people are not able to handle from being around them - our society is failing miserably in that regard - your dead friends Proof. England used drug addiction to destroy 1/3rd of china in the past and keep power over them. I saw good loving parents with close ties to their kids try to independently empower thier children - make them a winner as you say - when meth and ex hit thier communities - they were totally unprepared and much pain ensued. You aren't listening because you are more interested in dragging me down to your level, but many others are. They listen to your story, I have listened to it too Grace, many times, the same story, from many people and it seems more and more that story is growing - listen at mine - I try to give daily commentary on what I see happening out in society. Your story can be countered with an opposite one - what of the little girl whose daddy did kill her? That is no good eh? If that had been your story - there would be no Grace - but you had people to help you - policemen or social workers or what have you - gpowell says we have a self policing society that will pop up an institution to stop negative things like that - I provided you links to shows on PBS that shows that is not happening no matter gpowells faith it is - did you look at them? We dont need them though do we - better to teach the individual to be a winner and not structure a society around them to coddle thier human world in rosy ways. I am for as little government as possible - but as your own story proves - we need helpful institutions in young childrens lives to get them to good places before they die or are murdered or get damaged mentally or physically. The little girls are dying or being failed by the institutions they need to get a lift. From what I see in my life most need a lift because they got on drugs or someone around them did - remember for the past 50 years alcoholism was the worst thing in hawaii - now it is ICE addiction - why did it change Grace? What is different now from 50 years ago? The only difference I see is the availablility of ICE - you couldn't get it 50 or even 20 years ago in hawaii like you can today - the people are not the problem - the delivery and availability is the problem as I see it. The link I sent you about the mexican woman leaving her daughters - do you think they have the same environment you did 40 years ago? Throw her out on the streets like you were - she doesnt even speak the language - how can you equate the 2 experiences? I could make it homeless in most places in america - SLC was my favorite place to be homeless - but little mexicos or the real one - i dont think i would last long homeless. You know why mexico doesnt come up? All the good people leave and come here to the land of plenty Grace - instead of CHANGING things there like is the real solution. Everyone knows it - both gubbments admit it - we need real change. Success in life can be taught. Sure it can - success in Saddams IRAQ was being the best assassin - have you studied his childhood? Read about it. He had to murder and kill from a young boy just to survive - you didn't have to do that here to survive in the glory days of the USA - you had sucker men give you freebies - he couldn't get that. Read about his childhood - understand why he became what he did and how his was different from yours. Remember the link I sent you about gaudalajara - the beautiful shopping there? Well me and my indian friend went to a church there too - we were told little girls in that city did not have to be homeless - the church would take them in and give them food - I asked what of the little boys - nope - they are TUFF - they get to make it on the streets on their own - builds character though doesn't it Grace? They need to starve to death on the streets while the little girls get fed. That doesnt seem how you build character to me - that seems how you turn starving kids into ruthless thugs as they age. The largest obstacles that anyone faces are psychological. Hmmm I think of stories I read in China recently - some little girl got acid poured on her because she did not sew as many shoes together as the supervisor wanted - she just needs to get with the program and build character eh? I hear you Grace - you could have just as easily chosen to OD on heroin as turn your life around - that doesn't mean everyone can though. Some people just aren't as smart, they didn't pick up the street rules like you did - they never overcame the emotional, sexual, environmental abuses - some because they didnt change - some because their environment didnt change. Take the crack head out of the candy store when she isnt strong enough to do it herself and some will start being OK - put her back around an environment where crack is shoved in her face everyday by her boss, family, peers etc etc - she fails again. Hearing how someone else over came similar obstacles gives someone else facing the same a road map, a starting point. When you tell me that everyone can make it if they want - and that having a wegmans out your front door proves we ALL are rich everywhere - to me shows how shallow and disconnected from the REAL world you are in your microcosm of experiences. I think even live2sail said that was a little outlandish Grace - so I am not alone. The worst thing you can do is promote this myth that it isn't possible for people to overcome the circumstances they were dealt, that the game is rigged against them. I sent links, I asked you to watch those PBS shows - that is REAL lives Grace - not a myth. You think no matter the time or enviroment, legal system, cultural views etc etc the individual can prevail and that is what we should teach - that is defunct meme I feel and you are being intellectually dishonest - a great society from the TOP gave you far more chances than your individual power or choices - a sucky society mired in negatives - few individuals will overcome no matter thier muster - look at the daily suicides of people in the middle east - do you really think you are that more special or smart or TUFF than them - you arent - it is not a problem at the individual level - it is a top down problem from so many other dynamic factors. religion, social, gubbment, legal, etc etc etc You simplify these things with your one survival story in Glory day USA. Do you feel the streets are the same as they were when you were a kid? I have told you time and time and time again - of the destruction in south ga towns when ice and meth hit - you must think I am lying - the individuals did not have the right environment to take on that monster - they were unprepared. Being taught to be a survivor - without changing the environment that lead to destruction is a half measure. I think people can overcome the circumstances they were dealt - if they focus not just on themselves and internals - but on others too and externals - it takes all of it working together to make a good society of citizens. You cant make changes where you need to as a voting citizen or capitalist if you cant look at people who dont feel so good off as you and inform yourself. Life is inherently unfair, but so what? Apparent disadvantages can be turned into strengths. Yes - that link I sent you of that mexican woman that came here to work and left her kids - you never answered my questions about that - but anyways - after she got all her money stolen and sent back home - she needs to let that build her character right? We shouldn't try to stop all that illegal stuff going on at the border that is getting women raped and killed with no reprecussions eh? Better to think of wegmans and happy times than suffering and negatives right? Why did anyone think of you when daddy tried to kill you several times? That made you stronger and was a positive. The limitations people put on themselves can be far more limiting than the ones that the circumstances of their birth places on them. The best survivor in the world doesn't do so hot on a deserted island with no food and no help - a drughead fuggup can make something of herself when their is a society around to give her the chances to do so. One by itself is not ideal grace - it takes a determined individual in a supportive society to work miracles - remove either and our world suffers. More preschooling for the underpriveldged and good homes without drugs for young kids would make a big difference I think. A successful life is one in which you are able to continuously expand your limitations. Women in the middle east tried to expand - right up until they were shot or murdered for pushing too much - you are bound by the environment you live in just like you are bound by your own mind sometimes - change the environment for the better and you dont have to worry about someone trying to kill you to build character. What one man can do, another can do. Given similar circumstance and opportunity I agree - but you are trying to get me to believe your hard life from 40 years ago is something anyone can overcome today - you think the environment - the circumstance - all the same. You say you lived the bad life - saw it was a dead end - made a choice to turn it around - I didn't have to live the bad life - it never appealed to me - I knew it was a dead end before living it one day - other people live it til they die - there are many views in this world - when you say everyone in this country is rich because wegmans is out your front door - that makes you look very shallow and without depth of thought or understanding to me. Harvard girl says the opportunities are not there as before for the middle class - but all her cherry picked data gets wiped away because of wegmans out your front door. :( I say drugs are destroying towns I used to live in and changing the fundamentals of life there in negative ways - gpowell says it will fix itself. Maybe so - with time I guess everything can correct on its own - is that reason to not get in the way and try to engineer some lasting reform? hehe now I am starting to sound like Bush about Iraq - if he was only really there for the PEOPLE.