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To: Lane3 who wrote (9335)1/20/2006 11:14:52 AM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541294
 
"How bad is America, really?

There is, among some people of my acquaintance, a belief that America's recent forays into counterterrorist experiments of highly dubious legality, is some sort of brutal departure from the honorable norms that prevail in the rest of the developed world. I find this particularly shocking given that some of the people who profess this belief are actually from other parts of the developed world, and have apparently somehow never noticed that their legal systems are far less interested in protecting the innocent, much less the guilty, from the intrusive hand of the state. If the British haven't noticed that the surveillance cameras everywhere take rather more of the liberty out of "civil liberties" than an American would put up with, surely they have heard of the . . . er . . . creative ways that their government found to detain IRA members when the government could not mount adequate evidence to convict them in a court of law? And the Code Napoleon-based systems found on the continent are even less respectful of the niceties than the Brits are, as Daniel Drezner notes:

It turns out the Bush administration wishes the U.S. system was more like the French:

In the French system, an investigating judge is the equivalent of an empowered U.S. prosecutor. The judge is in charge of a secret probe, through which he or she can file charges, order wiretaps, and issue warrants and subpoenas. The conclusions of the judge are then transmitted to the prosecutor’s office, which decides whether to send the case to trial. The antiterrorist magistrates have even broader powers than their peers. For instance, they can request the assistance of the police and intelligence services, order the preventive detention of suspects for six days without charge, and justify keeping someone behind bars for several years pending an investigation. In addition, they have an international mandate when a French national is involved in a terrorist act, be it as a perpetrator or as a victim. As a result, France today has a pool of specialized judges and investigators adept at dismantling and prosecuting terrorist networks.

By contrast, in the U.S. judicial system, the evidence gathered by prosecutors is laid out during the trial, in what in effect amounts to a make-or-break gamble. A single court, the “secret” panel of 11 judges, established by the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) more than two decades ago, is charged with reviewing wiretap requests by U.S. authorities. If suspects are spied on without permission in the interest of urgency, the authorities have 72 hours to file for retroactive authorization. The Bush administration’s recourse to extrajudicial means—military trials, enemy combatants—partly stems from an assessment that the judicial system is unfit to prosecute the shadowy world of terrorism. The disclosures that the Bush administration skirted the rules to eavesdrop on terrorism suspects at home is apparently the latest instance of the government’s deciding that rules protecting civil liberties are hampering the war on terror. French police and intelligence services, in contrast, operate in a permissive wiretapping system. In addition to judicially ordered taps, there are also “administrative wiretaps” decided by security agencies under the control of the government. Although the French have had their own cases of abuse—evidence has exposed illegal spying by the François Mitterrand government in the 1980s—the intrusive police powers are for the most part well known by the public and thus largely accepted, especially when it comes to national security....

Bush administration officials argue that the FISA law in its current form does not effectively counter the terrorist challenge. Yet, the administration has not made serious efforts to amend the law or push for broader reform of domestic counterterrorism. Doing so would no doubt be difficult politically and may require regular tweaking, as the French experience shows. But such an effort could pay dividends, for both law enforcement and the American people’s trust in their government.

In recent years, French authorities claim they have thwarted a number of terrorist plots by using their forward-leaning arsenal, from a series of alleged chemical attacks planned by Chechen operatives against Russian interests in Paris to a recently reported ploy by French Muslims linked to a radical Islamist group in Algeria to target one of the capital’s airports. “The French have a very aggressive system but one that fits into their traditions,” says Jeremy Shapiro, the director of research at the Center on the United States and Europe at the Brookings Institution in Washington. “They seem to be doing the best job in Europe.”

Now, for all the "pack, not a herd" memes floating around the libertarian areas of the blogosphere, I am more than willing to posit that the French system may do a vastly superior job of breaking up terrorist networks. But who cares? Vesting that sort of intrusive power in one person would do far more damage to America than any terrorists are likely to inflict (barring the--IMHO extraordinarily unlikely--possibility of a nuclear attack.)

Forbidding everyone to drive would do a dandy job of eliminating car accidents, but the cure is worse than the disease. Likewise, building up the apparatus of a police state in order to catch a few crazies would kill the very thing that makes America (if I may say so) the best damn country in history.

Conservatives who want to berate me for not appreciating the threat of terrorism, let me take a little, er, pre-emptive action here. Unless you have lost the ten or so people that I bid farewell when the towers collapsed, including my first boyfriend, have watched the smoke rising off the ruins from the roof of your childhood home, have tried frantically to find out if your current boyfriend had been taking training down at the WTC that day, and have numbly tried to convince yourself that the buildings you knew so well were really and truly and forever gone as you turned up for another weary day of work at Ground Zero . . . unless you have done all those things, then please do not lecture me on terrorism. I get it.

As bad as terrorism is, there are worse things in the world, and governments that spy on their citizens, and torture them, and imprison them without trial, are among those things. Undoubtedly, if I ended up dying in a terrorist attack, I would wish we had done more. But hey, if I was killed in a car accident, I'd undoubtedly wish that the guy who hit me had had his license pulled. This would not be an argument for shuttering the interstates and making everyone get around on Shank's ponies.
Posted by Jane Galt at January 18, 2006"
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