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To: thames_sider who wrote (9417)1/22/2006 12:18:26 AM
From: MrLucky  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541921
 
moccw.org

THE FACTS: WHY RIGHT TO CARRY IS RIGHT FOR MISSOURI!

1. Right to Carry distinguishes between the law abiding and the lawless. There is a profound difference between a citizen legally exercising the constitutional right to keep and bear arms for self protection, and a hoodlum who packs a gun to prey on the next victim. Under current Missouri law, the two cannot legally be distinguished. Current statutes lack any means for law-abiding citizens to discretely carry defensive firearms legally regardless of the threat they face or the justification for their need to carry. HB1891, the "Personal Safety" law we will vote on April 6, would provide a lawful system for qualified, law-abiding citizens to protect themselves.

2. Right To Carry provides an effective, non-violent deterrent to crime. The evidence that proves the strong deterrent right-to-carry laws have against violent crime is factual and growing rapidly. Criminals are much less likely to car-jack, mug, rape or rob, if they are uncertain whether the victim might be armed. HB1891 would remove the criminal's guarantee that the next rape, murder or robbery victim is required by law to be defenseless.

3. Right to Carry would make Missouri safer for everyone. States with right to carry laws have lower crime rates than states without carry laws. According to FBI crime statistics:
Violent crime is 18 percent lower. Homicide is 21 percent lower. Robbery is 32 percent lower.

4. Right to Carry reduces crime. States that approve right to carry experience a significant decline in violent crime rates after the right to carry laws take effect. According to FBI crime statistics states implementing right to carry experience:
An 8 percent drop in murder rates
A 7 percent drop in aggravated assaults
A 5 percent drop in rapes
A 4.9 percent drop in all violent crime
A 2.2 percent decline in robberies.

5. Right to Carry clarifies firearms laws for law enforcement officials. Right now, EVEN POLICE lack clear statutory authorization to carry their firearms off duty or beyond their jurisdiction. This ability is referenced only by an attorney general's opinion regarding a 1997 law that expanded arrest powers for certified police statewide. Right to carry guarantees by statute that police officers can legally carry on or off duty, within or beyond their jurisdiction without a permit.

6. Right to Carry is right for everyone EXCEPT criminals. A Department of Justice survey found that 40 percent of felons chose not to commit at least some crimes for fear their victims were armed, and 34 percent admitted to being scared off by armed victims.

7. Law abiding citizens use guns to stop crime 4 times more often than criminals use guns to commit crimes. Survey research by criminologist Gary Kleck indicates there are as many as 2.5 million protective uses of firearms each year in the U.S., more than four times the reported number of violent crimes committed with firearms.

8. Most right to carry defenses are successful without discharging a firearm. Most protective uses of firearms DO NOT involve discharging a firearm. In only 1 percent (One in a hundred) of such cases are criminals wounded. In only about 0.1 percent (One in a thousand) of incidents of defensive gun uses are criminals killed.

9. Right to carry would bring Missouri into the overwhelming majority of other states that have some form of carry laws for citizens. Missouri is one of only SEVEN states that doesn't allow some form of discrete carry. It is easier to get a gun permit in New York City than in Jefferson City. Florida and many other states will issue concealed firearms permits to Missouri citizens, but Missouri will not.

10. Right to carry most helps women and older citizens. Because women and senior citizens are more likely to be victimized by violent criminals, they will receive the greatest benefit from the violent crime reduction that occurs when right to carry laws are adopted in a state.


WHO SAYS RIGHT TO CARRY WORKS?

"I lobbied against the law in 1993 and 1995 because I thought it would lead to wholesale armed conflict. That hasn't happened. All the horror stories I thought would come to pass didn't happen. No bogeyman. I think it's worked out well, and that says good things about the citizens who have permits. I'm a convert." -- Glenn White, President of the Dallas Police Association, Dallas Morning News, December 23, 1997.

"The preponderance of the evidence suggests that the vast majority (of permit holders) act responsibly." -- State Sen. Jerry Patterson, R-Pasadena, author of Texas' firearm carry law.

"To set the record straight... The process is working... The statistics show a majority of concealed firearms or firearm licensees are honest, law-abiding citizens exercising their right to be armed for the purpose of lawful self defense.---- Sandra B. Mortham, Florida Secretary of State.

"Allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right to carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly." -- Professor John R. Lott, Jr., and David B. Mustard, University of Chicago.

"From a law enforcement perspective, the licensing process has not resulted in problems in the community from people arming themselves with concealed weapons." -- Commissioner James T. Moore, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Memo to the Governor, 3/15/95.

"As we have seen in other states and had predicted would occur in Texas, all the fears of the naysayers have not come to fruition. A lot of critics argued that the law-abiding citizens couldn't be trusted... But the facts do speak for themselves. None of these horror stories have materialized." -- Sheriff David Williams, Tarrant County, TX, Fort Worth Telegram, 7/17/96.

"Some of the public safety concerns which we imagined or anticipated a couple of years ago, to our pleasant surprise, have been unfounded or mitigated." -- Fairfax County VA Police Major Bill Brown, The Alexandria Journal, 7/9/97.

"I was wrong. But I'm glad to say I was wrong." -- Arlington County VA Police Detective Paul Larson, previously an opponent of Right to Carry, The Alexandria Journal, 7/9/97.

"Virginia has not turned into Dodge City. We have not seen a problem." -- Virginia Public Safety Secretary Jerry Kilgore, The Fredricksburg Freelance Star, 2/2/96.

"The concerns I had - with more guns on the street, folks may be more apt to square off against one another with weapons - we haven't experienced that." -- Charlotte-Mecklenburg NC Police Chief Dennis Nowicki, The News and Observer, 11/24/97.

"The facts are in and the record is clear: Right to Carry gives law enforcement, their families and our communities real protection from violent criminals." -- James J. Fotis, Executive Director, Law Enforcement Alliance of America.



To: thames_sider who wrote (9417)1/22/2006 12:22:13 AM
From: MrLucky  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541921
 
kc3.com

The Truth About
"The Florida Model"
The following information concerning carrying concealed firearms (CCW) statistics may be of interest to listeners of "Tom Gresham's Gun Talk." These facts debunk the distortions and outright lies fostered by the gun-grabbers. It should be noted, that almost without exception, the media is equally as guilty in disseminating these distortions and falsehoods. These figures are compiled from the FBI's annual report on crime (Uniform Crime Reports), and from other law enforcement agencies.

"Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense". (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)

The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).

The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).

The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).

The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000).

Using FBI data (1992), homicide trends in the 17 states with less restrictive CCW laws compare favorably against national trends, and almost all CCW permittees are law-abiding.

Since adopting CCW (1987), Florida's homicide rate has fallen 21% while the U.S. rate has risen 12%. From start-up 10/1/87 - 2/28/94 (over 6 years) Florida issued 204,108 permits; only 17 (0.008%) were revoked because permittees later committed crimes (not necessarily violent) in which guns were present (not necessarily used).

Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm.

Americans use firearms for self-defense more than 2.1 million times annually.

By contrast, there are about 579,000 violent crimes committed annually with firearms of all types. Seventy percent of violent crimes are committed by 7% of criminals, including repeat offenders, many of whom the courts place on probation after conviction, and felons that are paroled before serving their full time behind bars.

Two-thirds of self-protective firearms uses are with handguns.

99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain "studies" that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection.

Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.

Other CCW Facts
With adoption of CCW by Louisiana in 1996, 30 states have CCW laws requiring the issuance of permits to carry concealed firearms for self-defense to citizens who meet fair and reasonable state standards. Vermont, which ranks near the bottom in violent crime rates year-in and year-out, allows firearms to be carried concealed without a permit.

In recent years NRA successfully fought for the adoption of favorable CCW laws now on the books in Florida (1987), Idaho (1990, amended 1991), Mississippi (1990), Montana (1991), and Oregon (1990). In recent legislative sessions, proposals for similar CCW laws have progressed in Alaska, Colorado, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas.

Anti-gun forces oppose CCW with a variety of arguments, ranging from deliberate misrepresentations of commonly available crime data to "studies" pretending to show that private ownership of firearms leads to death and injury rather than providing protection to the owner.

1. Firearms ownership opponents claim that "violent crime" went up in Florida since that state enacted CCW legislation in 1987, a misleading statement for multiple reasons:

Florida's homicide rate has declined 21% since adopting CCW in 1987.

No comparison of aggravated assault, robbery, and rape (99.3% of Florida violent crimes) beginning before 1988 is valid, according to the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement. In 1988, Florida changed its method of compiling crime statistics.

In Florida, as in the U.S., more than 70% of violent crimes do not involve guns. Violent crime rates, therefore, don't necessarily reflect violent gun-related crime trends. According to the most recent FBI Uniform Crime Reports (1992), nationwide firearms were used in the four violent crimes that make up the total "Violent Crime" category, as follows: Aggravated Assault (58% of volent crimes) -- firearms used in 25%; Robberies (35% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in 41%; Rapes (6% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in an estimated 5% - 10% (survey data); and Homicides (1% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in 68%.

In Florida: Aggravated Assaults (64% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in 25%; Robberies (30% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in 37%; Rapes (4% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in an estimated 5% - 10% (survey data); and Homicides (0.7% of violent crimes) -- firearms used in 61%.

2. Anti-gunners cite "studies" they claim show that firearms kept at home are "43 times more likely" to be used to kill family members than be used for self- defense. (Other "studies" claim different ratios.) The 43:1 claim, based upon a small-scale study of King County (Seattle) and Shelby County (Memphis), is a fraud, because it counts as self-defense gun uses only those cases in which a criminals were killed in the defender's home. Approximately 99.9% of all defensive gun uses are not fatal shootings, however -- criminals are usually frightened off, held at bay, or non-fatally wounded. Also, many defensive firearms uses occur away from home. Further, suicides were counted as "family member killings" in the "study,"elevating that number more than 500%. Unfortunately, some of these "studies" are funded with taxpayer dollars, through grants from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, a division of the U.S. Dept. of Health and Human Services.

Since adopting CCW in 1987 Florida's homicide rate has decreased 21% while the U.S. Rate has risen 12%.

Area 1987 1992 %Change

Florida 11.4 9.0 -21%

U.S.A. 8.3 9.2 +12%

Nationwide, homicide rates peaked in 1980 - 1981. After fluctuating, but dropping overall thereafter, both the U.S. and Florida homicide rates began to rise in 1986. Florida adopted CCW in 1987, and its homicide rate began to decline, dropping 21% 1987 - 1992. The U.S. rate continued its upward trend, rising 12% in the 1987 - 1992 period. (Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

Florida CCW Permittees Do Not Commit Crimes
Pop. - 13,277,000 Floridians Who Own Guns (Percent) All -- 62.7% Male -- 68.8% Female -- 57.3% Floridians Who Own Guns (Number): 8,325,000 Permits issued: 204,108 Permits Revoked Due To Crime: 17 (0.008%)

The latest report from the Florida Department of State, covering a 6-year, 4-month period from 10/01/87 (start-up date) through 02/28/94, shows that 204,108 CCW permits have been issued -- 69% new permits; 31% permit renewals. Only one-quarter of 1% of permit applications have been rejected due to an applicant's criminal history; two-tenths of 1% have been rejected due to an "incomplete application." One hundred eighty-seven (0.1%) permits have been revoked because the permittee committed some kind of crime, though not necessarily a gun-related or violent crime, after permit issuance. After receiving permits, only 17 (0.008%) individuals committed crimes (not necessarily violent) in which firearms were present, though not necessarily used. By contrast, in 1992 there were about 46,000 gun-related violent crimes (assaults, robberies, homicides and rapes) in Florida, based upon FBI Uniform Crime Reports supplementary reports and reported crime totals.







To: thames_sider who wrote (9417)1/22/2006 10:09:09 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541921
 
In the US I believe you are quite likely to be killed by a family member who has a gun (for gun related deaths)- and of course guns feature big in suicides. It's always nice, when mom and dad are arguing, to know there is a gun in the house, and dad (or mom) can blow the other's head off when it all just gets too intense.

People get angry, and when they have access to weapons they tend to use them. In the UK I believe domestic disputes frequently end in stabbings. I think I read an interesting proposal in the UK to make knives shorter- since for cooking purposes the long cutting knives are not necessary, and emergency doctors thought that shorter blades would do less damage.

You can see how angry people get just on SI, at people they don't even know. People get much angrier at the people close to them- and some people seem to have very little ability to control their anger. Unfortunately stringent gun control just won't work with our constitution- and I keep hoping there is a Darwinian angle to the people who blow their family members away, but there probably isn't. I will keep hoping there is, though. It makes the waste of human life a little less painful.