To: mishedlo who wrote (51054 ) 1/24/2006 2:29:51 AM From: GraceZ Respond to of 110194 They break out incomes into quintiles, and then give a median for the individuals inside that quintile. It's relatively easy to look through ten to fifteen years of how those quintiles have changed over time. The quintiles don't contain equal numbers of people because they are composed of returns, not individuals. The top quintile is the quintile which contains the highest number of people. People typically move through the quintiles, most start out in the lowest, when they are most likely to be young and single then work their way through until after 55 or so they start working their way back down. While it is true that there is an enormous amount of wealth up at the very tippy top, the top 1 or 2% of reported income, this does not represent a large number of people. It does affect the average income of that top quintile as well as the entire universe of wage earners, but has much less effect on the median and minimum income needed to qualify for each quintile. Most people in the top quintile are simply dual income couples whereas the lowest quintile are usually single or single heads of household. As for me not being average, according to almost any income stats you can find, I'm about as average as you can get. My husband and I reside on the income scale exactly where the majority of other married, two income couples reside. Look at table 1:taxfoundation.org The top 20% is mostly composed of dual income couples and it comprises the largest number of individual tax payers at 40.9% of all tax payers, 61.8% of the returns in this quintile are dual income couples. It starts at $71k which if you divide by two isn't exactly what most Americans would call rich, they'd say it was pretty damn average for two individuals in their peak earning years. This is where we fit in, at the bottom of that quintile. But both of us spent time when we were single in the lowest, the second, third and forth after we got married. Very few people, less than 1% of those in the lowest quintile stay there during their entire career. The US has great income mobility.The numbers of bankruptcies and levels of debt suggest otherwise. I posted a chart just the other day that showed that BK was equal or higher as a percentage of households back in 1999. Back in 1994, a year which can be characterized as a low point in debt accumulation and negative consumer credit growth was the year in which BK started to accelerate. Rising credit or debt is not an indicator of incomes that aren't growing it is an indicator that people have the confidence that their future incomes will be high enough to cover the cost of the interest or they believe they will be paying off that debt with cheaper dollars. So far, in the last 30 years, that bet has been pretty damn safe. Ask anyone who is still paying a mortgage from 25-30 years ago what the monthly P&I payment is and then cry. 3) People simply refuse to save and furthermore buy way more of everything than they can afford from SUVs to houses. SUVs are particularly stupid as they will eventually be worth zero over time. So how can you account for small time savings deposits at historical highs? Think Warren is putting it all in passbook?5) Leverage - people are way over leveraged Some people are way over leveraged, but certainly not the majority considering 40% of houses are owned free and clear, another 25% have greater than 50% equity. The ones that are leveraged up the whazoo have taken a short dollar/long RE position. The judge is still out to whether they will win that bet, so far they are. The RE speculators will wash out like they always do, so what else is new?but people eat out too much in addition to just plain eating too much Can't argue with that.... unless you happen to own a restaurant like my brother-in-law, he thinks they are eating out less frequently. Maybe they eat out more because they feel rich!