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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9880)	1/27/2006 10:03:44 AM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

re: the land was not populated .... They settled in towns which were already established and paid for their property how did find a town in a land that is not populated? And if your ancestors bought the land, as you said, I am sure they did not pay the nomads, as you nicely called them. Hence they the land is still stolen and your ancestors were just dividing what they stole and not buying re: Yes, I do, because they have returned but they are not satisfied with what they have. on the contrary, arabs are the ones who always wanted to destroy Israel. Would you deny people a right to self defence? re: My ancestors inflicted no misery on anyone and neither did I. You have no right to make that statement because you have no proof of what you say. If you are an American, I don't suggest that you or your ancestors murdered the Indians or imported slaves, even though that is in the American history, because I know nothing about you. are you sure that no misery was inflicted? What about the fightings between native population and the settlers? And I have probably more right to make my statements than you making your statements about Israel and Jews in general. As far as America then we all recognize here that we stole the land from the indians and are guilty of their genocide. And yes indeed slavery did exist here but whites inflicted more injustice on blacks in Africa than they did here and it lasted far longer. BTW slavery did not exist in all states of the Union. I taking responsibility for that even though that my family came here only few years back. re: You seem to be making the point that because Christ was apparently a Jew, Christianity was a Jewish conspiracy. I was just expending on your own logic. I used Christ because so many of you, haters, on this thread call yourself Christians. I have problem with you and not the Christianity. re: And that is why I don't like religion. I regard it as a recipe for war, not peace. religion can definitely be used to justify hate as it is very often used on this thread but that all it is - a justification. The reasons for wars are much deeper. After all Hitler was not religious re: There is now a new religion -- guns and money. do you warship the too? just when I thought we have nothing in common..... re: It's you who came upon me on the contrary, you are one of the more active haters on this thread...... You pushed me (Jew) and I responded. We learned our lessons and we are not going to tolerate your kind....

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9880)	1/27/2006 10:05:18 AM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

IRAN CRISIS "We are capable, if necessary, of continuing to pursue our aims militarily in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere and, if necessary, conduct a military attack on Iran." - Senator Joseph Lieberman, 22 Jan MER - MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 25 January: This day was destined to come sooner or later. With the Israelis having a considerable arsenal of nuclear weapons and the ability to delivery them tactically to the battlefield as well as strategically by submarine and airplane a gross imbalance has been there in the region for some time already. Furthermore there should be no doubt that Israel's apartheid and bloodletting policies toward the Palestinians have been a major force enflaming Arab and Muslim sentiments throughout the region; while militant neo-imperialist U.S. policies on top of the American-Israeli alliance and the rise of Christian Fundamentalism have fueled the raging passions and led to today's imbroglio. The real meaning of the Iran Crisis however goes to a more basic historical reality -- that we are coming to an end of what has been for some time a near total Pax America. What the Russians and the Chinese do at this point at the United Nations to prevent major sanctions against Iran will just be the public face of what they much more importantly are doing geostrategically to redress and re-balance the sole superpower status of the U.S. By committing so many grievances, by squandering so much prestige and credibility, by draining so much if its finances and resources, the American Empire has hastenened this time of realignment as well as this particular Iran Crisis. As for the Israelis, they have known for some time that they are in geostrategic trouble...not at the moment but in the future. If the Israelis do not now seriously reverse course (and it may well already be too late) and allow a real -- rather than a rump, stillborn, and totally controlled -- Palestinian State they will be unable to deescalate their isolation and they will escalate their target status as forces in the Arab and Muslim worlds grow in power and assertiveness. That too is what the Iran Crisis of today, and where it could be leading tomorrow, is really all about.