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Politics : WAR on Terror. Will it engulf the Entire Middle East? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: michael97123 who wrote (11916)	1/27/2006 11:54:51 AM
From: Chas.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

It is highly likely that you will see a major split now in Hamas, it may take a couple of weeks but the hard core Hamas faithful are not going to buy into the moderate, practical, intelligent faction which has to emerge to have any Global recoginition at all, which of course is their path to the continued flow of financial resource. Thats what Arafat was all about..the money..... regards

To: michael97123 who wrote (11916)	1/28/2006 9:45:21 AM
From: Richnorth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 32591

Below is an article that, to me, puts certain much debated stuff in perspective. Hopefully, others would see it in the same way................. Hopefully, the name of the author rings a bell for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Avoiding The Trap By Paul Meyer shamireaders@yahoogroups.com 1-27-6 It is time to wade into the discourse, partly to help us keep focused on the real enemy, which is no person, or even ideology, but a mind set-of insiders and outsiders, just and unjust, "crazy" and "sane". Mr. Duke falls into this trap, stating of his enemies "They are insane people [...].they are not normal people. - they are absolute evil". He sounds just like a settler describing the Palestinians! It seems we "need" demons in order to externalize our own evil! The West, with the collusion of all the surviving parties of WWII, has successfully labeled the Nazis as such demons, and anyone seeing humanity in these enemies is also "an enemy". The same is true for anyone seeing humanity in so-called "terrorists"; such a view is "too far out of the mainstream" for rational consideration. Moreover, a small group of Zionists and/or power-lusting folk have used corporate guilt to extort monies and political power from the Western powers, especially the United States. The actual history of the Jewish Holocaust is almost irrelevant today (notwithstanding revisionists who hope that reality can dissolve the religious myth), for the Holocaust religion is the only religion in the West with the social (and in some nations the legal) power to command ascent. Even the intellectuals who "know better" will not often speak up, for the consequences in terms of respectability and tenure are grave. It is no wonder the Eastern states have not fallen prey to this myth, they have not been subjected to all the propaganda which has passed for information in the last sixty years! Joh Domingo rightly states that "now all we need is an empathy with those whose views we hate. Understanding their fears, and foibles, is the key to influencing them to the greater good." He also "reject[s] the notion of contamination by association". Unfortunately, most of the American press and Americans will accept the notion of contamination by association, and that is part of our problem with educating them!! My point is that by demonizing those whom we oppose, we destroy the possibility of winning them, leaving a zero-sum game where there are only winners and losers. At the end of the day, Jews and Palestinians will have to learn to live with each other in Palestine (except for those who choose to leave because they cannot have the state they wanted!). European Americans committed genocide upon Native Americans, and subjected African-Americans to slavery and subsequent economic servitude, and STILL struggle to escape this legacy; Mr. Duke may be a vestigial remnant of this phenomenon and will pass with other declining species. Israel Shamir thinks "the Jews" want to exercise control over the entire world (not merely Palestine), but Israel also recognizes that "Jews" and "the Jews" are different entities; the former are members of the human race, and consider themselves members of a Jewish group by choice or accident of birth. Atzmon rightly describes a third category, who see themselves as Jewish as the irreducible essence of their being, before their humanity and even of greater significance than their humanity. For Israel, these are "The Jews". Their goals are reflected in the Protocols of Zion, regardless of the authenticity of that text. Gentiles "recognize" some Jews in this text (they err in not seeing other dominators also in this category!). Both Israelis and Americans live in a delusion-Lawrence Davidson has well documented the self-reinforcing world in which Israelis live, and the prominence of Fox network speaks for the closed world in which most Americans live. I believe our goal must be to find ways to challenge these delusions in a way that enables the deluded to see reality, rather than see us as demons. The South Africans abandoned apartheid, the British left India, and (reluctantly and incompletely) white America has ending the oppression of black America (New Orleans is but another chapter in exposing the crime of classism/racism). These successes were not achieved with the destruction of the foe, but with their liberation, usually in spite of themselves. In the meantime, let us work to prevent WWIII being fomented by the neocons and Zionists who want to pit the West against Islam and have not yet been stopped in this project. The Christisons are right - the project for the New American Century is still the agenda. .

To: michael97123 who wrote (11916)	2/4/2006 9:59:31 AM
From: Scoobah	Respond to of 32591

Here is what I think we can expect from HAMAS, as they will follow the lead of the most respected killers of the region; Hezbollah: DEBKAfile Exclusive: Hizballah’s attack on Israel was an act of triumph for its re-admission to the fold of Lebanese government without disarming February 4, 2006, 2:14 PM (GMT+02:00) Thursday, Feb. 2, twenty-four hours before raining 40 shells and rockets on Israeli Mt Dov positions, five Shiite ministers rejoined the Lebanese government. They ended their boycott after prime minister Fouad Siniora dropped his demand for an international tribunal to try the pro-Syrian murderers of former prime minister Rafiq Hariri. This decision left the UN probe of the assassination with nowhere to go, after months of intensive work. Siniora’s surrender to the pro-Syrian, Iran-backed Hizballah bodes ill for Lebanon’s future and security on Israel’s northern border. 1. On the Hariri case, the only way the assassins and their masters can be brought to justice now is before a Lebanese court, for which the Siniora administration lacks clout. Syrian president Bashar Assad and his co-conspirators have thus been let off the hook of the UN investigation and its threat to his regime. 2. The Lebanese prime minister has also backed away from his demand for the Lebanese-Syrian border to be demarcated – another Hizballah victory. The demarcation teams were to have confirmed that the disputed Shaaba Farms are sovereign Syrian territory as determined in Nov. 2004 Security Council resolution 1559 and therefore an issue to be negotiated between Syria and Israel as part and parcel of the future of the Golan Heights. By pretending the Shaaba Farms belonged to Lebanon, Hizballah claimed the right of a resistance army to attack Israel. It was therefore not subject to Security Council demands to disarm as a terrorist militia. By abandoning a settlement of the of the Shaaba Farms issue by drawing a line on the map, the Lebanese government has also drawn back from its prerogative to order the national army to reclaim the south from Hizballah occupation. 3. Prime minister Siniora also surrendered to the Hizballah’s insistence never to be referred to as anything but a “national resistance movement.” DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources add: Para 3 is a huge leg up for the Palestinian Hamas, the Islamic terror group that won last month’s Palestinian general election. Although the whole world calls on Hamas to disarm and recognize Israel for the sake of international acceptance, the Lebanese government backed by the Security Council, the United States and France, has legitimized Hizballah’s redefinition as a national resistance movement which is entitled to keep its weapons. This provides Hamas with the perfect precedent for claiming the same status and therefore staying armed and continuing to send suicide bombers against Israel. To bury the hatchet, Siniora and the Hizballah chief Hassan Nasrallah also agreed to review Beirut’s state policy in a way that “does not affect Lebanon’s relations with the international community.” This is precisely the locution that Palestinian chairman Mahmoud Abbas will offer to make a Hamas-led Palestinian government internationally acceptable. DEBKAfile’s Middle East sources report that Fouad Siniora would not have surrendered so abjectly to Hizballah’s dictates unless Washington had not bowed first. American messengers informed Nasrallah of the US policy turnabout in the second half of last week. To celebrate his triumph, the terrorist chief Nasrallah ordered his forces to loose a barrage of mortars and rockets against IDF positions guarding the Israel-Lebanese border Friday, Feb. 3. Israel’s response was routine: air and artillery strikes against Hizballah bases and a call on the Lebanese government to assert control over the violence. This response is about as effective as telling Abu Mazen he ought to dismantle Palestinian terrorists.